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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    you dont get to choose & force me to switch to counterpart.
    That applies for you as well you know.
    You're not even asking the other astrologian if he's willing to change to nocturnal.
    When there are two ast, one choice has to be made, we won't spend an entire day fightning for a sect.
    Choosing one sect at the beginning isn't "forcing" the other, it's just that we have to take one. And if you don't feel confortable, you just ask to take that sect instead.
    That's what a lot of people do when they don't know which sect the other healer want to play.
    By the way, that case also works for Ast/Sch.Having a scholar "forces" ast to play in diurnal. Yet, if you make the choice to stay in nocturnal and spam aspected helios, you'll overwrite shield no matter their value, including a critical spread adlo, which is really bad.

    Choosing a sect isn't like our lives depends on it, you're supposed to be able to play both as an Ast. We all have preference.
    This is only a selfish behavior honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    That applies for you as well you know.
    You're not even asking the other astrologian if he's willing to change to nocturnal.
    When there are two ast, one choice has to be made, we won't spend an entire day fightning for a sect.
    I believe x2 diurnal is greater, so no it doesn't because I dont want to ask them that, this is where we disagree, if I die & lose my diurnal they still have it, vice versa. I'm done replying, my input & standing point of view got explained already~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    I believe x2 diurnal is greater, so no it doesn't because I dont want to ask them that, this is where we disagree, if I die & lose my diurnal they still have it, vice versa. I'm done replying, my input & standing point of view got explained already~~~
    Bro...what? Double diurnal is greater? That...just no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    Bro...what? Double diurnal is greater? That...just no.
    From your standing point of view & I am not your bro.
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    It's not because regens don't stack.
    If that was Ast+Whm, maybe that argument would work.
    But that means your sitting on both shields and the extra +5% from nocturnal.

    Someone will have its Aspected Helios wasted.
    I dont need to, I can just do regular helios (none regen)(Cure potency is even higher) & if single target regens arnt on I am plenty busy with that if not then ill just stick to benefic1 &2 until I can/need to do aspected helios & meanwhile theres plenty of other things to do. if everyone dodge & regens are maintained, shield is barely ever required & I can collective unconscious. yes shield from nocturnl is good but not necessary & even with shield if someone doesn't dodge they will face plant. I actually think the phalanx from nocturnl is mp costly as it drop from ppl in 2sec while regen is steady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    From your standing point of view & I am not your bro.
    From many ASTs standing point of view. It is generally not a good idea to have double diurnal. Just like double Noct is just as bad, too. Just as it's common sense to go Diurnal for SCHs, and Noct for WHMs. It's much more efficient for the party as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    I believe x2 diurnal is greater, so no it doesn't because I dont want to ask them that, this is where we disagree, if I die & lose my diurnal they still have it, vice versa. I'm done replying, my inout & standing point of view got explained already~~~
    It's not because regens don't stack.
    If that was Ast+Whm, maybe that argument would work.
    But that means your sitting on both shields and the extra +5% from nocturnal.

    Someone will have its Aspected Helios wasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    It's not because regens don't stack.
    If that was Ast+Whm, maybe that argument would work.
    But that means your sitting on both shields and the extra +5% from nocturnal.

    Someone will have its Aspected Helios wasted.
    Not to mention the 250% shield Nocturnal Aspected Benefic gives, or the 150% shields Nocturnal Aspected Helios give. Those go a long way to prevent overall healing throughout a fight—you mitigate the majority of incoming damage, and you have to heal less as a result. Meaning you can contribute to the party in other meaningful ways, such as contributing to DPS. Sounds like a win-win to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    Well not having a sect on prevent me from doing regen if the other ast isn't doing it & it would actually let me use sect later on while once fight is launched you can not switch midway so yea ill agree to this comment for the you'd be better to go without sect imo. & I am not honey
    You don’t always need HoTs from Aspected Helios ticking. Aspected Benefic, yes, you usually want those on the MT. But the party do not always need HoTs ticking on them. Shields would actually prevent you from having to cast more Helios spells for AOE healing, because you’ll be mitigating incoming damage. More mitigation = less overall healing.

    The no sect comment isn’t meant for you to agree with. I’m not talking about starting a fight with no sect on, and then putting one on mid-combat. I’m talking about how Double Diurnal AST is basically the equivalent of 1 Diurnal AST and 1 Sectless AST. Which is bad play.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 05-28-2018 at 01:15 PM.
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