Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[Ruf]

You completely missed the entire point of my post. xD You even quoted the whole thing, lol! As for MP reserves, as someone who has mained as both... AST does not have infinite MP reserves. Ewer can't be relied on all the time as it may not show up at all in a dungeon. Either way, regardless, it's up to the player to figure out how to manage their MP as per their class. Sure, it may be a bit different among WHM, SCH, AST, but none of them are without options. Still, this has nothing to do with my post. Thank you for posting anyway, I guess.

Idk your ast but its my main & I definatly have control on my mp so no to your claim that I missed your point because I understand most infos & yet I differ opinion on astrologian with MY astrologian, maybe I handle my pool better?

[LadyKairi]

This is something I have an issue with in 8 man content. I get wanting to heal, but when you have two healers, you should be working WITH your cohealer. Been sick of getting paired with healers that keep trying to do all of the healing. Like... if I wanted to be a dps, I would have jumped on my RDM. I rolled healer to heal, too. You want to solo heal, make a pf or bring someone who doesn’t mind being a green dps. Even in savage I see this, and it is frustrating. Even had a scholar deliberately save burst heals for when I would try to heal. Oh and the countless Whms spamming medica 2....

[Ruf]

This is something I have an issue with in 8 man content. I get wanting to heal, but when you have two healers, you should be working WITH your cohealer. Been sick of getting paired with healers that keep trying to do all of the healing. Like... if I wanted to be a dps, I would have jumped on my RDM. I rolled healer to heal, too. You want to solo heal, make a pf or bring someone who doesn’t mind being a green dps. Even in savage I see this, and it is frustrating. Even had a scholar deliberately save burst heals for when I would try to heal. Oh and the countless Whms spamming medica 2....

So you are saying that if I can maintain everyone to 100% health for a full battle by myself while keeping my mp flawless its bad? because you dont want to nuke?

I view it like this: If you want to Nocturnl or Diurnal its your choice, but I will also say this, it is not because you choose Diurnal that I will go in nocturnl because nothing force me to, if asked nicely maybe but, if the second healer with me is in diurnal but barely keep regen up & die then regen goes to 0 in the time that healer is dead. I wont rely on that, ending up stuck in a phalanx stance unable to do my proper job "keeping ppl health to full if not nearly full" because the other healer thought they could handle stance & they didn't.

[LadyKairi]

So you are saying that if I can maintain everyone to 100% health for a full battle by myself while keeping my mp flawless its bad? because you dont want to nuke?

I can do the very same, but I still have the common courtesy to try to work with my healing partner, because it’s TWO healer content. Not one. I didn’t roll healer to dps, just like the other healers. Like I said, if you want to solo heal and not be a team healer, don’t que for two healers, make a solo heal pf. Shouldn’t be forced to play a role you didn’t sign up for.

[Ruf]

That's not how it work, because a solo pf doesn't give you a roulette bonus +if I can outheal you & outdps you then something might be wrong there, maybe it is you that need to host a pf? In no way roulette solo let you choose your sub healer + even there, been there, done that, I rather rely on my regen.

[Penthea]

I can do the very same, but I still have the common courtesy to try to work with my healing partner, because it’s TWO healer content. Not one. I didn’t roll healer to dps, just like the other healers. Like I said, if you want to solo heal and not be a team healer, don’t que for two healers, make a solo heal pf. Shouldn’t be forced to play a role you didn’t sign up for.

For me this depends on whether I know the other healer or not. It's safer to assume a random person will not be very good instead of assuming they're at least as good as you. If I don't know the other healer at all, I'm going to heal more than usual until I see that they are good enough for me to ease up on it a bit.

[LadyKairi]

That's not how it work, because a solo pf doesn't give you a roulette bonus +if I can outheal you & outdps you then something might be wrong there, maybe it is you that need to host a pf? In no way roulette solo let you choose your sub healer + even there, been there, done that, I rather rely on my regen.

Lololol no. I’m always gauging my other healer and TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM. Meaning trying to figure out how to cooperate and NOT trying to compete with them by trying to heal everything. That in no way means my skill I lacking. I actually try to be a team player, unlike some people. And the “rather rely on myself” is complete crap. If the other healer is trying to heal as well, maybe something should click in your head that “hey! This healer wants to help.” Both healers should be able to enjoy a run, not just one. It’s team content.

[Ruf]

Lololol no. I’m always gauging my other healer and TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM. Meaning trying to figure out how to cooperate and NOT trying to compete with them by trying to heal everything. That in no way means my skill I lacking. I actually try to be a team player, unlike some people. And the “rather rely on myself” is complete crap. If the other healer is trying to heal as well, maybe something should click in your head that “hey! This healer wants to help.” Both healers should be able to enjoy a run, not just one. It’s team content.

Competing is not always bad, I actually find it to even give better & optimal results at times.Often I saw a single healer save a whole group from a failure to a win with an LB3 running out of time on the clock just because the other healer couldn't keep up but of course the healer that did flawless saved everyone allll the way. ppl death arnt all about heals either , you could have someone at 100% health get one shotted because they dont dodge, that's on them & not you & in that case my mp is better used for a nuke if that get us win than to raise, so on so on, if you cant handle doing optimal cures while also nuking at same time then dont do it, but dont claim that because you cant others are unable to & should not be self reliable.In the end, I never said that I wasn't trying to be a team player, I am claiming that like Panthea I will take the heals on myself as even I myself do mistakes & so if I try to do better solo I eliminate part of that ratio by pushing my performances & so if the other healer is as good as me or better, this is A+

[Usho]

You sound like someone who believes the people who parrot that WHM has infinite MP.
Believe it or not, between DPSing, mistakes happening and extra healing at times, WHM can run dry.

Sounds like you're complaining to me.

You assume overmuch. Might want to get that checked out little missy. I stand by what I said. If you can't manage your MP well on WHM or any healer, then you are piss poor and not playing efficiently. WHM has great mp recovery tools at it's disposal...USE THEM. You also have Thin Air in later levels which makes dps a breeze with no mp cost.


Outside of that, heal when needed (Regen is all you really need most of the time anyway unless the tank is bad at managing defensive cds), and dps while holding a little to conserve mp, but if party is doing fine and healing isn't needed then dps to your heart's content. Use Lucid when needed, and assize to recover mp. Assize has a short cd so you should never have mp issues unless of course you ALLOW your mp to drop to critical levels.

If you run out of mana cause you are tunnel vision dps'ing or over healing when it's not needed, then you only have yourself to blame.

[HyoMinPark]

I view it like this: If you want to Nocturnl or Diurnal its your choice, but I will also say this, it is not because you choose Diurnal that I will go in nocturnl because nothing force me to.

What? You do realize that Diurnal regens do not stack, right? If one AST is in Diurnal, you go in Nocturnal. To not do so is bad play on your part.

There is nothing like overhealing if you have no mp issue at all, astrologian can get a gigantic amount of mp replenishing with ewer & Lucid dreaming, + lets not forget medicines, sure it might be harder for whm on the mp pool but as long as you control your mp, you can spam all you want I even will claim that I think its best to not let regens wear off "if you are able to handle it "which a lot of players apparently do not". IE: odin x2 bleeding, maintaining regen is the best.

Lucid Dreaming is actually worse than the old school Luminiferous Aether was in terms of MP return for ASTs—LA had a shorter CD and lasted longer...and you didn’t have to almost always pair Celestial Opposition with it to extend the effects and get a decent MP return. AST’s MP management was much better in HW; now they tend to struggle the most out of the three, especially if there is no physical ranged to provide Refresh for them and they are balancing healing and DPS—it’s even worse if they have to back-to-back raise party members because they have no other way of getting it back (WHM has Thin Air, and SCH can at least Energy Drain to get back a portion of the cost of Resurrection if they absolutely have to...plus Aetherflow is every 45 seconds for more MP return, and this is on top of Lucid).

If there is no need for regens, you shouldn’t have them ticking; each tick is a waste if there is no damage to be healed, and they should never have 100% uptime. Ticking up bleed DoTs is one thing; but just letting them tick where no damage is being healed for 20 seconds is a huge waste in terms of HoT ticks, and the MP you used to cast the spell. Helios would be a far better substitute. Or Earthly Star even, which is a massive burst heal; perfect for heavy hits.