[Lighthouse Spoilers] Can we please stop with the stupid fetch quests?

[Anselmet]

Wasn't us fetching the wine supposed to be a joke? The npc was cheeky on us being the WoL but also known to be able to find dumb items for random people. I know people are complaining that this quest is too much like ARR, but then again it only takes what, five mins to do? If this was ARR the previous quests leading up to it would make you go fight four fates that only pop once every 30 minutes or something equally dumb and tedious on top of fetching. Besides that one quest every quest leading up to the raid had a point and just long cutscenes. There is no way the wine fetching was not done on purpose by the devs and I have a strong feeling we were all 'trolled'.

[Pomelo]

I honestly didn't like the fetch quests but then again, I admit I really really don't like this Ivalice Story (this being FFXIV version of the events) My brain switches off because it bores me >.<

[Riardon]

That quest was horrible. It didn't fit the atmosphere and the context of Return to Ivalice at all. It was a boring out of place stupid fetch quest.
I like how Yoshi said in the recent interview that this time they add more quests for the 24man raid to make it feel more epic.
Yoshi stop the lies and if you can't add meaningful quests don't add anything at all.
The Ridorana quests were poor and out of place. The MSQ quests were the exact opposite.
Also stop the silly Illusion of Freedom dialog options. If the dialog options don't do anything don't add them at all.
There wasn't anything epic in the Ridorana quests. They were annoying and meaningless.
The whole Ivalice thing still feels very disconnected from the Hyadelyn world. I believe that is because you are trying to port as much elements from XII as you can into the XIV world and they don't fit very well.

[Remedi]

With all due respect, you don’t have to keep checking in on the thread. You are free to leave whenever you choose, while others are free to continue to discuss or post their opinions on the matter. They are also free to enforce their opinions if they are contested—that’s the purpose of a debate.

I take issue with people trying to dictate what others can and cannot say or do. If you don’t want to be privy to the thread anymore, then move on.
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My intention was not to dictate, I wanted to try and defuse the argument that was going nowhere about if the quest is worh or nor since both visions are correct since they are based on personal experience.
I'll try to be more careful in the future with words, but if I see ppl bickering on certain topics I can't say I can really sit and not intervene

[alimdia]

He's offering an opposing viewpoint that I and others have agreed with? It's not complicated.

His first post accomplished that. The following posts were just bashing people and telling them to go play a different game if they don't like it, all because he dictated that our feedback is just "whining about some trivial matter" as if he was the target audience of this feedback.

[Remedi]

Now that I spoke my mind about the bickering, I think I can provide something more constructive on the topic at hand.
I thought about some grievancies that ppl have said about swindling the lalafell, while I didn't mind it because frankly I think he's a cheat and a scam, I also compared it to my annoyance about yet again being said "AHAHAHAH you need this much money to buy that thing" and yet again was able to provide amply that sum (this happened on HW hildibrand quest before).

This led me to remind xenoblade chronicles 2 fetch quests, sometimes you are sent to procure an item from a dealer and said dealer either asks you a sum or to bring him a certain quantity of a material that can be gathered elsewhere.
Now I'm not saying that the exact same thing should happen on FFXIV, but maybe just maybe they could make this quest more involved. Maybe you CAN buy the bottle off grejuru, maybe you can sweet-talk him into giving it to him, maybe you can outright steal it from his warehouse if you so desire.
Ofc my opinion that this quest should not be linked to the main story still remain

[Theodric]

The whole Ivalice thing still feels very disconnected from the Hyadelyn world. I believe that is because you are trying to port as much elements from XII as you can into the XIV world and they don't fit very well.

Even before Return to Ivalice ended up being a part of the game the 'atmosphere' of the Ivalice games happened to be a large part of FFXIV's appeal. Environment design, the heavy political themes, various references and the focus on grey morality are prime examples. So it fits perfectly.

His first post accomplished that. The following posts were just bashing people and telling them to go play a different game if they don't like it, all because he dictated that our feedback is just "whining about some trivial matter" as if he was the target audience of this feedback.

Compared to...what, exactly? People bashing the quest chain itself and the creator of Ivalice who is as big of an inspirational figure as Yoshi-P...?

As I said, some feedback just isn't worth acknowledging, especially when it comes from those who are desperately flailing about in an effort to find new ways to be offended. It's a single fetch quest that takes a handful of minutes to complete. Hardly the end of the world or anywhere near the biggest issue in this game.

It's also frustrating to come to this board and see the same people across multiple threads bashing it - hence my suggestion that they should simply go elsewhere. They'd be happier. When I fell out of love with WoW, I didn't stick around to criticise it at every turn, I realised that it was no longer for me and that I needed to find something else to play. Which is exactly what I did five years ago and exactly what I will do if FFXIV ever stops being enjoyable for me. There's an unfortunate habit of some posters spending day after day complaining about this game, hence why it's not hard to assume that they'd be better off elsewhere for their own well being. It can't be healthy and it wouldn't sit well with me not to speak up out of concern for the troubled.

[Lauront]

Yes, we are. The Echo makes us immortal. That's why we can keep respawning. It's been stated over and over the Echo's power can grant immortality, and we have an infinite wellspring of energy.

Quote? Also something showing this relates specifically to the WoL?

[Alleo]

No, though if you look through the post history of those complaining it's pretty clear that any inconvenience - however slight - is exploited as a reason to get up in arms.

What someone sees as trivial or not is subjective. Some will see male glamour as trivial and dont understand how people again and again post about this on the forum. Some will see the complain about this as trivial and some dont. In the end if its trivial for you, you just simply dont need to post. I mean how many of these posts in here are also from those that dont understand why its a problem?

In the end this thread does not hurt anyone. Its about an opinion and if the majority of the people would be fine with the quest, it may not have grown so much. But for such a "trivial" problem, we have 77 likes. So there are at least 77 here on the forum that had a problem with it. And them making meaningful quests in the future instead of filler wont hurt you. I mean its not like they cant just still throw references like the wine in them.

(And can someone point the epic part of the questline out to me? The first quest was information gathering (which was nice) and introducing new characters and fighting two chocobos. The second one was the wine quest, with some really small informations and the last one was the one where we at least see the place and do something, but still we are only looking for the leader and have one cutscene. So maybe it annoys me because we got the promise of epic quests but if that is epic..well the bar is quite low then)

Also interesting to see that for some that find this to be unworthy or trivial they still continue to post. You do know that you are keeping the thread alive with such posts too? I at least dont post in threads that I find bad or not interesting.

I probably wouldn't have even cared if they hadn't mocked me by making the NPC quest giver bring up the fact that we were known for 'fetching' things and he was going to put it to the test. That felt a little spiteful for all the complaints about similar quests and did make me resent the fact that it was mandatory to unlock content considering my immediate instinct was to make a rude hand gesture and leave him to rot.

Yeah I think that quite some people got the feeling that this was more at them poking fun at us. I find nothing funny in devs that create mandatory filler quests with the hint that they are doing it because they know that they are annoying. Doing something like that just shows that they know that its bad and yet still do it anyway. For a company that use the story as a selling point this just feels like bad behavior to me. (And again I know about fetch quests being necessary in MMOs but they have a place and time to exists..)

[BroodingFicus]

I probably wouldn't have even cared if they hadn't mocked me by making the NPC quest giver bring up the fact that we were known for 'fetching' things and he was going to put it to the test. That felt a little spiteful for all the complaints about similar quests and did make me resent the fact that it was mandatory to unlock content considering my immediate instinct was to make a rude hand gesture and leave him to rot.