[Lighthouse Spoilers] Can we please stop with the stupid fetch quests?

[Remus]

You've been in these forums since 2013 and you still don't understand what's the objective of player feedback.

Yeah feedback for a single quest that only takes a few minutes to do... Is this what people complain about now? Something they will do once and never again? Geez people need to get their priorities straight when it comes to player feedback. I could understand if that's how it was like for the whole 24 man quest but it wasn't so I don't honestly see the problem here.

Also the quest before you even start it basically tells you "hey this is to fill time" if you weren't interested there is a skip cutscene button and you can finish it even quicker.

Just so you know you might want to go back to the prima vista after you finish the 24 man quest chain and check the quest you can get and tell me if the quest was useless, personally I think the last quest makes up for it.

What's this? I don't mind free clusters and crystals for doing a fetch quest earlier. Them crafting materia go for quite a bit so I'm fine with this.

[KyokuhoKensaki]

Just so you know you might want to go back to the prima vista after you finish the 24 man quest chain and check the quest you can get and tell me if the quest was useless, personally I think the last quest makes up for it.

What's this? I don't mind free clusters and crystals for doing a fetch quest earlier. Them crafting materia go for quite a bit so I'm fine with this.

That doesn't really make the quest any less pointless. Clusters aren't difficult to come by in the slightest. Also oh goody. Five clusters which can be used up easily. Crafting materia might still be worth something but battle materia are entirely worthless now in the market. You can hardly get much of anything with them these days.

[Tridus]

Yeah feedback for a single quest that only takes a few minutes to do... Is this what people complain about now? Something they will do once and never again? Geez people need to get their priorities straight when it comes to player feedback. I could understand if that's how it was like for the whole 24 man quest but it wasn't so I don't honestly see the problem here.

No, right now people are busy complaining about people complaining.

Right. It doesn't take long at all. Which is precisely why this is a non issue. People can grumble about it all they like but the deed is done - and I guarantee once the freshness of the patch wears off most people will have forgotten about it completely and will be regretting that there won't be any new quests to tackle for quite some time. Do you not suspect that some people are simply complaining for the sake of complaining?

As you're the person with the most posts and by far the most complaining in this thread: you tell me.

What hyperbole? It's very odd that accusing me of using them - I'm not the one overreacting about a simple, easily accomplished fetch quest. If you're concerned about hyperbole then I have no doubt that you'll elaborate on the matter and quote each and every poster complaining about the quest. Thankfully I can take comfort in the righteousness of my cause - the entire quest chain is a love letter to fans of Ivalice. It was never advertised as anything different.

Claiming equivalency between not liking this dumpster fire of a quest to "wanting instant unlock jump potions" is comical hyperbole. Then claiming you're not engaging in it is more. Your entire reaction has been wildly overstated.

It wasn't a meaningless fetch quest, though. It brought substantial world building in the form of referencing Ivalice and tying FFXIV to FFXIV's version of Ivalice. If people truly cared about the Ivalice story, then they'd appreciate even the minor references. Though many of those complaining didn't pick up on the references or claim they've never played the games in the first place. That's fine - but when the entire thing is a love letter to fans of Ivalice then maybe they should sit back and let those who are the target audience soak up the full experience without raining on the parade.

No it didn't. The other quests in the chain did. This one was about how rare wine is expensive and how apparently everyone's okay with screwing over one NPC for the benefit of another. That's it. It contributed nothing to the lore of Ivalice whatsoever.

You could delete this quest from the game entirely and our knowledge of Ivalice changes in no way whatsoever.

It wasn't a 'flop' - it's a beloved cult classic and one of the most highly rated games of all time. Plenty of people remember it fondly, myself included. Once again certain posters here show that they really just exist to complain about anything and everything - which begs the question as to why they even play this game in the first place.

"Flop" and "cult classic" often go together. You know what else fits both of those? Blade Runner. It was a total flop on release and became popular years later. That's a thing that can happen with something that is overshadowed (as Vagrant Story was by FFIX) or takes time to grow on people (as Blade Runner did).

If nothing else, I'm starting to understand why the NA/EU community isn't really acknowledged or engaged when it comes to feedback.

Why, because we actually give feedback instead of just pretending everything that SE puts out is gold? Sorry, the raid itself was great, but this quest was a steaming turd.

Can you really call any video game that has a subsequent "Greatest Hits" release a flop, though? Like, it's literally in the name, lol.

"Greatest Hits" is a marketing term. It has no meaning except "Sony decided to do a re-release with a label figuring they could sell more copies". That's it. A flop or success is determined entirely by sales, and in those days game sales were almost totally front loaded. By that metric, it wasn't a success. (Digital distribution has been a real boon for that, as games can now keep selling for longer and find an audience, which is great.)

Please show us on the doll where the questline touched you. Jesus. I liked the quest but do not think it should have been imperative, only optional, but some of you act like it killed your dog. It took maybe 45 minutes to do if you read the text, and if you were that disgusted you could do it in ten by skipping.

I'm enjoying how the denigration on this goes from "it only takes 5 minutes!" to "it only takes 45 minutes!". Maybe you complainers should get your heads together and come up with an agreement on how long it is.

Sorry, but I dislike having my time wasted by pointless crap in the middle of what is otherwise an interesting story. They could do some addition by subtraction here. Remove this quest and replace it with nothing, and the entire Ivalice story gets better.

[alimdia]

Yeah feedback for a single quest that only takes a few minutes to do... Is this what people complain about now? Something they will do once and never again?

You, like Theodric, have been in these forums since 2013 and don't understand what's the objective of player feedback either.


Sendoh explained it in the post above yours:

yes, the "deed is done", the point of complaining is so that we don't get "done" like this again in the future.

This is not about modifying the current quest, this is about preventing this from happening again in future quests

The quest to unlock CT was very long and took a lot of travels fetching items (mind you, those items were far more lore-relevant to CT than this wine is to Ridorana) and after player feedback they made Syrcus Tower, World of Darkness, Void Ark, Weeping City, Dun Scaith and Rabanastre a more cinematic experience. People complained about all the fetch quests in ARR main story, and after player feedback the majority of HW and SB main story quests further the plot in some way.

It doesn't take 5 years to figure this out.