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  1. #581
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    Tridus's Avatar
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikix12 View Post
    I think that a fair compromise would be changing the the system a bit to give "Need" for the gear of your class, but only until you get it for the first time. Once you do, you can never "Need" on it again, whether or not you have it at the time.
    But you already can't turn lighthouse gear in for seals or desynth, so that isn't an issue. Why would someone be needing it multiple times?

    The problem with this solution is that it requires a bunch of server resources to track if you've already gotten it or not, to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. If you want to apply it to Rab and older raids, okay, sure, that stuff is mostly glamour/turnins now anyway. But people use the current one to catch up on gear for jobs they're actually using. This change has made that harder, and your solution is an over complicated way to avoid that.

    The easy fix is to put it back to how it was before. That's worked pretty well for two decades in MMOs.
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  2. #582
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    Pyro2hell3's Avatar
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    Lenneth Valk
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    Lamia
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    you know just once I'd like my predictions on how x change is going to suck because it will make this happen to be wrong
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    becoming my enemy would be unwise

  3. #583
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    TaranTatsuuchi's Avatar
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
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    I"m now curious how the JP playerbase is taking this change...
    I remember there being mention of many of them being confused and against this change.

    Would be interesting to see an update on that.
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  4. #584
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    kupokage's Avatar
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    Amanda's Husband
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    I'll run once a week for the coin and ABSOLUTELY roll greed on everything indiscriminately (aside from the waist) until I get it all.

    Y'all either play the loot game SE implemented or its going to play you.
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  5. #585
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    The easy fix is to put it back to how it was before. That's worked pretty well for two decades in MMOs.
    An alternative, if they absolutely insist on this supposed "fair" approach is including a separate token which can be traded in for the gear of your choosing. You can only obtain said token after say 5-10 runs. That keeps the queue alive, allowing you a chance to roll on something should RNG be kind but doesn't punish should your luck be bad that week.

    Of course, that would have been the sensible change from the start...
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  6. #586
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    Lyria Vale
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    Making my first post on these forums just to chime in.

    I absolutely hate this change. It punishes players that actually need gear and are willing to actually play that job. You're playing a job, and gear drops for it that you actually need? You should get priority, not the person over there that's not even willing to play the job. End of story.

    And going back to old raids (where there is no weekly lockout) for glamour or gear for lower level jobs? Good luck, you need to beat 7 other people all rolling on the item to vendor it.

    I won't be going back into 24-man raids while this new loot rule exists.
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  7. #587
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Jenova
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    I don't really have a preference in this either way, as I dont really use the 24 man gear, but my partner isn't very happy about it. So get rid of it and bring back the old system!
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  8. #588
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    It occurs to me that this system is going to confuse new players. There is quite a lot of group content to work through before you can unlock the first alliance raid, and up to that point all loot in dungeons and trials is need/greed/pass.

    New players are going to think their game is bugged because they can't roll need on gear for the class they're playing.
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  9. #589
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    It occurs to me that this system is going to confuse new players. There is quite a lot of group content to work through before you can unlock the first alliance raid, and up to that point all loot in dungeons and trials is need/greed/pass.

    New players are going to think their game is bugged because they can't roll need on gear for the class they're playing.
    This change effects ALL Alliance Raids. Even the older ones.

    So people only coming now will think it's always been greed only.
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  10. #590
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    This change effects ALL Alliance Raids. Even the older ones.

    So people only coming now will think it's always been greed only.
    But all content they do before that is need/greed. These now just work differently than everything else because reasons.
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