Can we do something about Secret of the Lily II now?

[Sylvain]

First as you mentionned, the way of triggering lilies isn't desirable. Unless they'd HIGHLY increase boss AA dmg (and by highly I mean a good 100% more if not 200%) to make cure/cureII and related spell viable. (I mean, you'd have to heal more than hots and instant basically), there's no way this triggering process can ever be good.
Second, it reduces the WHM cd, but because of FF14 fight nature's, less cd is rarely useful. Fight are so scripted that having your skill back 10sec before is either not needed or extremely useful (like, without the cd reduction you wouldn't have it for a said mechanic). Unfortunately it's more often than not on the useless side of the spectrum.


The trait does need a rework but it's unlikely something like this will happen before 5.0
We're already at 4.3 and there's no reason to do a proper rework 2 patch before the xpac ends. Even if some people don't want to admit it, WHM are in a good position EVEN with a trash trait. And no, speed run aren't a reason to buff whm. Progression is the only thing that truly matter to S.E (see Lightspeed buff). Being competitive on speed run, something a fraction of the fraction of the savage raider does is not of high concern for them.


I honestly believe the trait will be totally reworked for 5.0. I don't think SE will rework the battle system to the point of making basic heal spam mendatory (I'd love it tho)

What I hope to happen for the lilies system (assuming it's not entirely removed, which could happen since only one spell truly depends on it)

more way of procing, either through StoneIV or Regen
better bonus, instead of a CD reduction perhaps added potency/effect
an effective way to dump excess lilies assuming they add a reliable way of generating some


But seriously I wouldn't hope too much. The AST change on Lightspeed was easier to implement and transformed a largely useless cd to something we can finally use often.
Lilies would need a bigger rework and I don't think this will happen (unfortunately)

The very best that could happen would be the lilies procing from StoneIV but knowing Y.P stand on healer dps, I would really not expect something like this. (but like not at all)





Regarding AST, the access to a quicker lightspeed only becomes "good" with this patch as lightspeed CD has been reduced (and the cd quite enhanced)

The talent reduces the cd on lightspeed by 10sec everytime you use Essential Dignity
For a maximum efficiency Lightspeed should always be in CD and you should use essential Dignity on CD.
However, prior to 4.3 you had very little reason to have LightSpeed on CD since it destroyed your dmg and would only be good in high healing situation for the mp reduction. The ability to have everything instant is rarely the reason you used Lightspeed.

With a CD of 150sec and Essential Dignity on a 40sec, you could, at most, reduces Lightspeed CD by 30sec. In otherword, you bring it to its baseline CD in 4.3.
Reducing Lightspeed cd by 30s has never been something I (or any AST that I know) find exciting or useful.
Unlike the SCH talent which effectively reduces the CD of Aeatherflow by 15sec, more Lightspeed 1 more lightspeed per fgiht is rather useless. There's plenty of fight I don't even press it.

With the reduction of Lightspeed baseline cd to 120, we'll be able to reduce its cd by 20 more secs.
However this time there's more incitive to use Lightspeed on cd / on pull

Still, the trait is rather weak and reduces the cd of a situational skill and for that you need to use another situational skill that I rather keep for emergency or tank burters (and not everytime it's up to reduce lightspeed cd)
And this is the core of the problem, it's reduces the cd of a situation skill and not a core one like Eatherflow.