All Greed on Alliance loot

[Vhailor]

This really is a stupid decision on SE's part. I know the official reasoning is that SE views 24-person Raid gear as 'catch-up gear' for secondary jobs, but I don't understand why they'd want to eliminate the incentive to actually play secondary jobs. If I'm playing BLM as a secondary, I really shouldn't be able to queue up as a WHM and have the same chance at the gear. It's ridiculous.

This is likely going to kill all 24 man raids period. Let's be honest a lot of the drive for max level characters to even revisit the old raids are for glams. I'm still farming for the Yafaemi healer top on my alt, and that is the only reason I enter anything that isn't Rabanastre. After this change getting glam drops from old raids will be beyond rage inducing. Anything that can be turned into seals will be an 8 way free for all regardless of the drop going forward. As for Ridorana, well the last boss will probably be a free for all with everyone hitting greed to just get some kind of drop for the week and be done with it.

Glamour has never been a drive for me; I revisit old 24-person Raids because the Alliance Roulette Mendacity reward isn't half bad. Sure, it's faster to do the "Expert" Roulette (I use the word 'expert' loosely here, because the dungeons are quite easy), but those runs carry much more potential stress for me as a Healer due to the small party size. In a group of 24 people, a bad tank or a damage dealer who favours sitting in AoE doesn't really cripple the run. In a 4-person dungeon, though? Good lord, a tank who pulls beyond his gear's capacity, or one who ignores cool-downs, is immensely stressful, for me at least. So this change won't really impact how often I run the 24-person Raids; it's just an illogical, pointless adjustment.

Edit / Aside: I have no horse in this race. I only queue up for this sort of content on my main (I craft for any secondary jobs - none of which are even to level 55), and I rarely view 24-person Raid items as upgrades. It's just the principle of the matter.

[Barachim]

This needs to change. Adding my vote to need over greed. I'm a Dragoon main, I am not comfortable when it comes to tanking. But when I want that certain piece of gear, that I can only get from a raid, I'll man up and get through it. I don't want to run the raid like hundreds of times, to get an entire gear set, because I can't need on my class set anymore.

[Cidel]

If you aren't willing to come to a particularly casual-level 24-man raid content as a job you want gear for, then I have a hard time understanding why you need the gear in the first place. As I understand it, if the JP players (or any players) are too self-conscious to come as anything but their main, geared-up job but then cry sour grapes when they lose to Need rolls (1 drop per week, mind you) to people actually participating in the content as said job/role, that's really their own problem. Certainly doesn't justify changing the whole loot system and essentially spoiling it for those biting the bullet and queuing as the appropriate job/role to increase their own odds against the raid's ridiculous loot system/pool.


The devs said they may revert these changes with enough community backlash, but I get the feeling that would likely happen later rather than sooner. Though I do love to be pleasantly surprised.

[Vhailor]

If you aren't willing to come to a particularly casual-level 24-man raid content as a job you want gear for, then I have a hard time understanding why you need the gear in the first place. As I understand it, if the JP players (or any players) are too self-conscious to come as anything but their main, geared-up job but then cry sour grapes when they lose to Need rolls (1 drop per week, mind you) to people actually participating in the content as said job/role, that's really their own problem. Certainly doesn't justify changing the whole loot system and essentially spoiling it for those biting the bullet and queuing as the appropriate job/role to increase their own odds against the raid's ridiculous loot system/pool.


The devs said they may revert these changes with enough community backlash, but I get the feeling that would likely happen later rather than sooner. Though I do love to be pleasantly surprised.

I'd also like to point out that if this is an issue of culture differences, it should be specific to the data center. I hadn't seen that particular line of reasoning before.

[Fyce]

This needs to change. Adding my vote to need over greed. I'm a Dragoon main, I am not comfortable when it comes to tanking. But when I want that certain piece of gear, that I can only get from a raid, I'll man up and get through it. I don't want to run the raid like hundreds of times, to get an entire gear set, because I can't need on my class set anymore.

Yeah, it's totally fine if your two "alt-jobs healers" are derping around and let everyone die because they are terrible at playing that job in 24-raids simply because they want to call dibs on shiny. I mean, not only healers, but the other 23 other players with you.

24-raids are wipe fests, and they should remain like that. Up to 24 people playing sub-optimaly just because of loot. Without that, these raids would lose their flavor. Their salty flavor.

[BillyKaplan]

Yeah, it's totally fine if your two "alt-jobs healers" are derping around and let everyone die because they are terrible at playing that job in 24-raids simply because they want to call dibs on shiny. I mean, not only healers, but the other 23 other players with you.

Just because someone is playing a job badly doesn't mean it's their alt-job. And if you're so upset with the performance of other players, perhaps you should consider moving to single-player games or forming a static.

[Fyce]

Just because someone is playing a job badly doesn't mean it's their alt-job. And if you're so upset with the performance of other players, perhaps you should consider moving to single-player games or forming a static.

I don't care about their performances. I just don't want to die and/or wipe because some players are forced to play a job they barely know how to play for a pair of boots.

[Barachim]

Deaths happen. Every new Raid is a learning experience. I'd rather deal with a number of wipes and people getting better, than being forced to play through the Raid 10 times more than I'd have to. Right now the System is Need over Greed, and over the years, I can only count on one hand, the amount of times I quit, because we wiped too often. And usually on the next Queue, with a new Alliance, we get through it no problem.

[Fyce]

Deaths happen. Every new Raid is a learning experience. I'd rather deal with a number of wipes and people getting better, than being forced to play through the Raid 10 times more than I'd have to. Right now the System is Need over Greed, and over the years, I can only count on one hand, the amount of times I quit, because we wiped too often. And usually on the next Queue, with a new Alliance, we get through it no problem.

Ozma on release was: wipe, wipe, wipe, disband. Repeat.
If I have to roll my loot against someone who need it but isn't playing that job at the moment, in exchange for a better chance at a clear, it'd gladly take that offer.

Edit: I literally just came out of a terrible Rabanastre. I was forced to go in as a healer, since it's the job I wanted gear for. I'm not that good at healing and probably could've prevented way more deaths than I did and healed/DPS more efficently. Tanks, on the other end, absolutly didn't do jack. They weren't even tanking the bosses. The bosses roamed free, killing everyone with tank busters and stuff... It took at least a minute or two before someone (not the tanks) decided to even pull.
If I could've joined as a tank, I definitly would have. That's my main and I wouldn't have let that happen. But I couldn't. Because of loot.

But it seems I'm in the minority of people who value smoother runs more than bragging rights for loot. Feelsbadman.

[Nestama]

Ozma on release was: wipe, wipe, wipe, disband. Repeat.

Funny you should mention that. Every fight in Ridorana Lighthouse was designed by the guy who made Ozma (I think they referred to him as "Mr. Ozma").