I want to be better at whm but I can't see, to do anything right.

[ko_]

Don't get discouraged - as Sebazy said leveling dungeons can be some of the hardest dungeons you complete. Also do your part in minimizing your party's ilvl disparity - walking into Doma Castle in Shire gear isn't making it easy on yourself. I would update the majority of your gear around 66, most Market Boards have HQ 66 gear for pretty cheap overall and it can help suppliment things you haven't gotten dungeon drops for.

Oh most of my gear is 67/68. I afk in my apt - doesn't turn the game off- so if my lodestone shows random gear thats why. I legit have a casual set I use for chilling in my apt. My actual gear 284 ilvl for the moment at 69. I try to be as updated as possible cause yeah. You're correct. That's not good being underleveled in gear for these dungeons. Tho now I'm kindof out of funds so here's hoping the 69 dungeon can drop me some gear. T.T

[MoroMurasaki]

Oh most of my gear is 67/68. I afk in my apt - doesn't turn the game off- so if my lodestone shows random gear thats why. I legit have a casual set I use for chilling in my apt. My actual gear 284 ilvl for the moment at 69. I try to be as updated as possible cause yeah. You're correct. That's not good being underleveled in gear for these dungeons. Tho now I'm kindof out of funds so here's hoping the 69 dungeon can drop me some gear. T.T

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean your gear was bad (I didn't look up your gear) I just meant to stress the impact gear can have on your healing potency so if you happened to be undergeared it might make you consider gearing up a bit.

[ko_]

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean your gear was bad (I didn't look up your gear) I just meant to stress the impact gear can have on your healing potency so if you happened to be undergeared it might make you consider gearing up a bit.

Oh no worries I knew you meant no harm. I just wanted to explain just incase cause yeah. I afk in pjs alot so the lodestone is always confused.

[gumas]

dont get discouraged because there is no perfect healer, even a healer with 100+ hour fly time can get muddy sometimes, this kind of thing is normal.

[Gemina]

For Regen in particular:

It is perfectly OK to cast it pre pull for dungeon bosses. 99% of the time, your tank will pull with their ranged aggro ability.

On trash, if Regen is up pre pull for whatever reason, stay on your tank and do nothing else until those red dots turn green. The further away you are from your tank, the more difficult it will make it for them the take them from you before you take some punishment. It is usually not an issue for good tanks, but still do your part to help them out.

Other than that, cast it once the tank has aggro, try to refresh it without clipping, and let it drop towards the end of burn.

[weedlord]

regen prepull and even medica 2 prepull are fine, just dump aggro with lucid if you start to creep. use divine benison on cooldown for dungeons. lean heavily on assize, tetragrammaton, and benediction for your heals. holy is your single best mitigation tool in dungeons, however; swiftcast holy + presence of mind holy spam makes the trash mobs stand there like jabronis for quite a while.

also don't forget to snapshot your regens with largesse for bigger ticks. don't beat yourself up if somebody dies - it happens. you'll never know the limits unless you push them.

[Maeka]

Don't forget about Benison, whatever you do.

Spam that crap on cooldown.

See, when I did leveling, Benison was tied to the Lilly system (which it isn't nowadays) and back then, if you used it without Lillies, IIRC, the recast was a good slice longer. But now you can just spam away without worry.

I wouldn't worry about doing heavy DPS until you get the "keep party alive" bit going first. If you're standing there and everybody is looking good, then you can throw some rocks.

I would not advise precasting any kind of HoTs with the regular pulls, nor would I be blowing Lucid on it because you never know when the tank is going to decide "I want three groups at once right now!" and you might end up NEEDING the Refresh on Lucid later on. I don't trust tanks I don't know.

And as someone else said, you can't heal stupid. Some undergeared tank thinking they can pull 10+ mobs at once because they saw some higher level do it, or DPS that love standing in junk, or what-not.... you can only compensate for so much and then stuff goes downhill if they aren't willing to their part to keep themselves alive. That, or you get tanks that want to tank in DPS stance the entire dungeon because they're in such a hurry, yadda yadda.

And if you ever wanna do a dungeon with me sometime, you can try looking me up sometime, just mention that you came from the forums or something. I play a tank somewhat decently, and I tend to go defensive and I'm not one of those multipull crazy tanks. I'll do some multipulling, but I tend to be rather light on that, and I love the Clemency spell which should make getting some healing practice easy.

The way I look at it, is I could either use my MP on Holy Spirit... and do a little damage... or I could Clemency every other Riot Blade and keep near-full MP and give the healers more time to throw rocks. Their DPS spells probably out-DPS my HS or at least that's the way it seemed last time I compared the damage. So it's better they throw more rocks and I do more self-healing.

[Izyla]

I started levelling a whm too and got to SB dungeons a few days ago. In terms of dps, I noticed that depends heavily on the tank as well. The difference between a good and a bad tank is staggering. When I ran Doma Castle last night I had a tank who pulled very big but knew what to do. Regen + Asylum and ogcd heals were usually enough and I was free to dps most of the time.

I queue again and I get a tank that pulls 1 pack at a time but I have to spam cure 2 on lol. That party was a disaster in general unfortunately. It was 2 melee dps and on last boss when targeted with the proximity based aoe marker they didn't move, not even after the marker was placed so they all took the full brunt of it. I guess they didn't know/bother to move.

[Maeka]

I started levelling a whm too and got to SB dungeons a few days ago. In terms of dps, I noticed that depends heavily on the tank as well. The difference between a good and a bad tank is staggering. When I ran Doma Castle last night I had a tank who pulled very big but knew what to do. Regen + Asylum and ogcd heals were usually enough and I was free to dps most of the time.



I queue again and I get a tank that pulls 1 pack at a time but I have to spam cure 2 on lol. That party was a disaster in general unfortunately. It was 2 melee dps and on last boss when targeted with the proximity based aoe marker they didn't move, not even after the marker was placed so they all took the full brunt of it. I guess they didn't know/bother to move.

A tank should not need constant Cure2 with one pack on him unless he's in DPS stance full-time and maybe even being undergeared.

Even if he doesn't use his defensive cooldowns at all, a tank should NOT need Cure2 spam with one pack on him if he has his tank stance up, even if you're less-than-sync. When I went through Doma Castle, I was slightly undergeared and I had Shield Oath up and I had zero problems on single-packs even when my defensive cooldowns weren't up.

If you see a tank in DPS stance and he's taking that much damage, tell him to turn his Tank Stance on, and that you refuse to heal him until he does (tell him between pulls or something). Learn to recognize the various buff icons that go with their stances so you can recognize at-a-glance whether or not they are using their stances.

Now, if a tank uses DPS stance and he's actually doing a decent job of taking, don't go yelling at him.... I'm only talking about a tank who is tanking poorly in DPS or no stance at all.

And hey, sometimes the first pull or two I'll forget to put my stance up, but I usually very quickly realize the problem and stick it on, so be polite at first. "Hey, you know your stance is down.." or "Uh, you're taking a bit too much damage to be trying to tank in DPS, how about going Tank Stance instead?" that kinda thing. If they refuse, then you go "okay, I'm not healing you until you change your stance."

[Saraphin]

As many have said: it's not just you, but the tank as well. i've done the 69 dungeon from both a Tank and a Healer perspective. in SB, you really need to keep your gear up. the dungeons hit hard and it was an eyeopener after how less hard hitting anything in HW was.


Have I died? Yes. Have I let people die? Yes. the tuning for the dungeons is high. if a cooldown is missed or if a pull is too big...there's little you can do. I recall back when the first 70 dungeon came out. So many wipes on the first big pull and I was yelled at, told i was a bad healer, and lot of other things. It wasn't for lack of trying. I'm a crafter as my end game, so I truly made the crafted gear and supplemented where I could.

Sometimes, RNG just goes wrong. Using oGCD healing abilties, DB etc.

as a habit, I tend to not DPS at all the first pull, to see how the tank is. When I feel I've got a decent grasp, then I'll DPS. if something happens and I get too "Holy Hand grenade"-y, I'll take responsibility. if I've hit everything and I'm in the middle of casting a healing spell? no, that's not really my fault. Especially if they want to do big pulls in DPS stance. Most Tanks i've come across with do their Tank Stance for Mob pulls and their DPS for bosses.