An alternative to parsing?

[Rokke]

tl;dr, : I think the term "carried" isn't constructive in a "I want to get better" thread

People who want to get better can still be carried. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[KaivaC]

People who want to get better can still be carried. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Perhaps. Let us just say that I am being carried all the time, as I cannot clear the dummy, and I am incapable of outputting anything beyond 4k at my best. It would be fair to say that, in the context of what we've talked about lately, that I am always being carried, thus forcing the other 7 party members to pick up my slack, yes? Thus, either I would need to play better, or I should stay away from Savage. Because otherwise, I am just waiting everybody else's time and ruining their runs. In a sense, I think that for the most part, being carried and wanting to get better go hand-in-hand with each other. Some people are simply unable to get better because they are playing to the best of their abilities.

[Nhadaly]

Perhaps. Let us just say that I am being carried all the time, as I cannot clear the dummy, and I am incapable of outputting anything beyond 4k at my best. It would be fair to say that, in the context of what we've talked about lately, that I am always being carried, thus forcing the other 7 party members to pick up my slack, yes? Thus, either I would need to play better, or I should stay away from Savage. Because otherwise, I am just waiting everybody else's time and ruining their runs. In a sense, I think that for the most part, being carried and wanting to get better go hand-in-hand with each other. Some people are simply unable to get better because they are playing to the best of their abilities.

I want to improve myself too, it doesnt mean i get carried.

I know that theres room of improvement for me, and im working to improve myself, but that doesnt mean i dont carry my weight every time i play with others....

Saying that those who want to improve get carried is insulting to those who carry their weight already and just want to bring every bit of their ability out either for their own sake or the team they are playing for, or both.

[KaivaC]

Can't deny that there's some truth to the words though that every single one of my clears had me being carried. I don't think it's an insult. The posters above me have a point. All my dps clears on both normal and savage, I have been dead last for a DPS. It stands to reason that in spite of what I do to ensure I do everything I can to help my party out, I am still the weak link.

It's not an insult. Maybe before I would've gotten upset about it, and I'd have been in your position. But lately after seeing it so many times, those who have been saying that low skill players are being carried... I don't believe that they are wrong. I feel like there's a lot of truth in their words.

[Ovenmitts]

Perhaps. Let us just say that I am being carried all the time, as I cannot clear the dummy, and I am incapable of outputting anything beyond 4k at my best. It would be fair to say that, in the context of what we've talked about lately, that I am always being carried, thus forcing the other 7 party members to pick up my slack, yes? Thus, either I would need to play better, or I should stay away from Savage. Because otherwise, I am just waiting everybody else's time and ruining their runs. In a sense, I think that for the most part, being carried and wanting to get better go hand-in-hand with each other. Some people are simply unable to get better because they are playing to the best of their abilities.

Can't deny that there's some truth to the words though that every single one of my clears had me being carried. I don't think it's an insult. The posters above me have a point. All my dps clears on both normal and savage, I have been dead last for a DPS. It stands to reason that in spite of what I do to ensure I do everything I can to help my party out, I am still the weak link.

It's not an insult. Maybe before I would've gotten upset about it, and I'd have been in your position. But lately after seeing it so many times, those who have been saying that low skill players are being carried... I don't believe that they are wrong. I feel like there's a lot of truth in their words.

Kaiva, you say this isn't affecting you and I have to disagree. These posts you're making in this topic are starting to get more and more removed from the op at hand and more to your personal experiences in savage. They're emotional even if you deny it. There's a heavy feeling of defeat in the way you're talking about yourself.

It's like I said earlier and what these people are trying to tell you. And to anyone else that may be doubting their performance in savage. You may not give yourself credit, but I am certain there is more room for growth in your performance. And we're not talking about anything serious here. This is a video game. You play this for entertainment and to take it easy after a hard day at work or school or whatever. Video games are not your day job. You can suck at a video game and still have fun at it. It's a hobby. That's how hobbies work. Just because you make gray logs doesn't suddenly mean you're grounded from having fun. Sure, you're not the best at what you do, but you can still enjoy savage at a casual level. It's not a crime to admit you like something casually. You can't be the best at everything, and most people here aren't high parsers on their first runs either. You have to remember that it isn't the end of the world if you're not great at something right from the get go.

You definitely won't get better though if you constantly talk like you've already given up. Isn't that what this thread is about? Self improvement? Ways to help people get better at this game? Find yourself a friend that you know is good at a class you like and just ask them for pointers. That's what I did when I first tried savage content in here. I looked up what resources I could and tried out everything on a housing dummy.

Some people learn fast and others learn in baby steps. It's not how you get to the destination, it's the fact that you're making progress along the way. I think that's sufficient enough soap boxing for this thread.

[KaivaC]

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This isn't a defeatist attitude. I'm just being realistic about myself. But while I'm not being emotional about this, I can see how some may think there's some emotions behind what I'm saying. You're right, I brought my own experience into this, and that was a mistake. It threw this whole thread completely off-topic. So let's get back to it.

Another reason I think this would help players, now that I think about is, is because there are a lot of other players out there who either don't have the right FC, or a good group of friends (or friend) that could sit down and help them improve. Granted, the raiding community is small compared to the overall player base, but there are some out there who could use some in-game help that gives them active feedback on their performance. Riyah made a mention of a grading system a while back. It could be subjective, depending on how the devs overtune it, but I could see a grading system having some effect if its paired with something meant for training and improvement purposes. Obviously, grading wouldn't really matter much in dungeons and raids. But who knows, could attach a new title to this. It could fall in line, story-wise, with the WoL inspiring other adventurers to follow in their footsteps, and the training thingy could be utilized in the context of the WoL testing it before it is sold.

[Pyro2hell3]

ff you ask me the problem isn't if are dps meters are useful tool the are the problem is people can't behave with them and they come with way to much bs drama and other baggage look at WoW its like dps meters the game at this point dps meter drama is yet other thing from WoW i don't miss