All Greed on Alliance loot

[BillyKaplan]

This change definitly solves some issues.

The only issues this seems to have solved was cases in which people wanted to gear classes they weren't running the content on and losing their items to Need rolls. Which to me looks like it's working as intended? What other issues were there other than "well casters already had it bad so now EVERYONE SUFFERS!"?

Rolling against a maximum of 4 other people > rolling against a maximum of 7 other people. And with how Eureka doesn't seem like it'll be giving artifact gear upgrades, people will likely use this as their chance to gear up their alt classes while running on their main which they gear through Savage or tomes. So the people who don't want the tome gear and don't run savage actually lost their main gearing option because RNG is already mean.

[CorbinDallas]

And with how Eureka doesn't seem like it'll be giving artifact gear upgrades, people will likely use this as their chance to gear up their alt classes while running on their main which they gear through Savage or tomes. So the people who don't want the tome gear and don't run savage actually lost their main gearing option because RNG is already mean.

This is the whole point of the change, how is it so difficult to grasp? As far as "not wanting tome gear on main", let me ask who in their right mind doesn't want what is essentially non savage best in slot 370 for their main?

[Jijifli]

It actually was far from perfect. This change definitly solves some issues.

What issue did it fix?

You're making me have potentially worse odds rolling for the set I want. That makes me want to try this set even less.

[CorbinDallas]

What issue did it fix?

You're making me have potentially worse odds rolling for the set I want. That makes me want to try this set even less.

Me needing on that glorious tank chest that you want for glamour purposes, with zero competition, which I don't even need or want and just intend to desynth/GC it.

[Skivvy]

Me needing on that glorious tank chest that you want for glamour purposes, with zero competition, which I don't even need or want and just intend to desynth/GC it.

If they want to glamour it, perhaps they should enter the raid as the job that can need in it.

[Fyce]

The only issues this seems to have solved was cases in which people wanted to gear classes they weren't running the content on and losing their items to Need rolls. Which to me looks like it's working as intended? What other issues were there other than "well casters already had it bad so now EVERYONE SUFFERS!"?

And you think that's normal for casters to have it bad while other jobs/roles have the easy life for no apparent reason?
You also think that queue times being impacted by loot is a fine and acceptable thing?
Or that it's okay if your healer is terrible at its job in 24-man but are force to play as one if they want some gear, putting everyone at a disadvantage?

It doesn't matter if some of these seem trivial to you. They are still issues that the new system solves, like it or not. That's also an answer for you, Jijifli.
Yes, it lower the overall odds of getting something. I never said otherwise. I even suggested earlier in this thread solutions to keep roughly the same odds as before. But it doesn't change the fact that some issues of the current system are going to be solved.

And with how Eureka doesn't seem like it'll be giving artifact gear upgrades, people will likely use this as their chance to gear up their alt classes while running on their main which they gear through Savage or tomes. So the people who don't want the tome gear and don't run savage actually lost their main gearing option because RNG is already mean

If you run savage and do your weekly tomestones, it's very unlikely that you haven't finished gearing your main job weeks ago. I cannot see why someone would gimp themselves by waiting three and a half month only to then take i360 non-upgradable gear exclusively. That doesn't make sense.

[BillyKaplan]

And you think that's normal for casters to have it bad while other jobs/roles have the easy life for no apparent reason?

I have ran several raids where I was the only caster, while the other DPS had overlapping Need rights. So "casters have it worse under the current system" is a load of bull. You can get five DRG in the same party.
And that's before the very simple fact that the new system will make it even worse for them so I don't know why you think you have the moral high-ground here.

Or that it's okay if your healer is terrible at its job in 24-man but are force to play as one if they want some gear, putting everyone at a disadvantage?

And if that player only plays healers because that's what they enjoy? And is their only level 70? It's like it's ok for bad players to exist in this world.

They are still issues that the new system solves, like it or not.

No, because now all the good healers will run DPS because they can get the healer gear they want while playing a much low-stress job in a new raid. Why should they heal this train-wreck if they can roll on the healer top after being dead as a lolgoon 70% of the raid?

But it doesn't change the fact that some issues of the current system are going to be solved.

And introduced more issues so yey?

If you run savage and do your weekly tomestones, it's very unlikely that you haven't finished gearing your main job weeks ago.

I'm allergic to determination

[Jijifli]

Me needing on that glorious tank chest that you want for glamour purposes, with zero competition, which I don't even need or want and just intend to desynth/GC it.

I have this revolutionary idea for you here. It's kind of complicated, so I'll put it slowly.

You. Can. Go. On. That. Job.

If they chose to come as a tank instead, then they would have had no issues here. How about another example?

You needing on that glarious tank chest while you're on scholar, for your glam, while I need it for an upgrade, and you win.

Congrats I'm not tanking the content ever again. There's no reason to anymore.

[Fyce]

I have ran several raids where I was the only caster, while the other DPS had overlapping Need rights. So "casters have it worse under the current system" is a load of bull. You can get five DRG in the same party.
And that's before the very simple fact that the new system will make it even worse for them so I don't know why you think you have the moral high-ground here.

Saying that the argument "is a load of bull" when you are the one who brought it up to support your claims with an example. Good job.
Whatever, you didn't address the point at all besides speaking about a specific scenario you personaly experienced, which is completly irrelevant. If you think that a tank having no competition whatsoever and a healer always having a rival for loot is an inequality which isn't worth balancing, well, that's your own opinion.

And if that player only plays healers because that's what they enjoy? And is their only level 70? It's like it's ok for bad players to exist in this world.

Then that player should buy tomestone gear as they are drowning in them for not using them for any other job. You act like 24-raids are the only option to get gear. Breaking news, it's not.

No, because now all the good healers will run DPS because they can get the healer gear they want while playing a much low-stress job in a new raid. Why should they heal this train-wreck if they can roll on the healer top after being dead as a lolgoon 70% of the raid?

Who are you to speak about what people will want to play? You assume that "all good healers" don't like healing in 24-raids and will suddenly switch to DPS. That's ridiculous. Out of all the assumptions people make in this thread, this one is one of the worst I've seen. I'm done with you after that post.

No wonder why SE didn't say anything about that topic and want to test it live first. The doomsayers really are loud.

I'm allergic to determination

Then don't play a MMORPG where grinding takes up the vast majority of the available activities.

[BillyKaplan]

Whatever, you didn't address the point at all besides speaking about a specific scenario you personaly experienced, which is completly irrelevant. If you think that a tank having no competition whatsoever and a healer always having a rival for loot is an inequality which isn't worth balancing, well, that's your own opinion.

I never said that. I just said that balancing it by screwing everyone over is not the way to go. Small difference.

Who are you to speak about what people will want to play?

I'm not. I'm simply revisiting things already stated in this thread over time by people who play healers who'd rather not heal this raid now.