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  1. #81
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    gumas's Avatar
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    i feel like the dev in SE is using lottery system instead of prioritizing which is which.

    "ok its a new season, time to draw a new lottery"
    *draw a paper with warrior name on it*
    "i know warrior is fine but because i just draw a warrior paper, we need to change warrior again, get to work people"

    i mean... iam not whm but even i know just by looking at this healer board that whm is keep getting shunned by SE lol
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  2. #82
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    i mean... iam not whm but even i know just by looking at this healer board that whm is keep getting shunned by SE lol
    But there's also priority involved. We yelled at them about PI and they made it better. We complained about the lily requirement on DB and they fixed it. The stuff that needs fixing now is annoying, sure. But it's not like the job is broken. WHM works pretty well.

    I think some perspective would be useful, here.
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  3. #83
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    The stuff that needs fixing now is annoying, sure. But it's not like the job is broken. WHM works pretty well.


    I think some perspective would be useful, here.
    I agree. AST also wasn't broken though. Clipping your GCD with card actions was annoying. A. Helios not having quite the range I'm used to on Medica II is annoying. MP management is the only real thing that was addressed that wasn't strictly in that same train of thought but they even went the extra mile and took away the dps penalty on Lightspeed while they were at it which was another little annoying thing on AST.

    I don't think your intention was to come off implying that AST in it's current, pre-4.3 buffs iteration was unplayably broken (though I could be wrong) but suggesting the current AST changes are more necessary than some of the updates WHM could use doesn't sit right with me.

    The difference is they aren't going to reimagine the lily gimmick mid-expansion so WHM won't get the changes it needs.
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  4. #84
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    Holy Orders
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    Faerie
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    Would just wait for the patch notes. There's a lot of apprehension snowballing off of what is almost entirely speculation.
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  5. #85
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shihen View Post
    Would just wait for the patch notes. There's a lot of apprehension snowballing off of what is almost entirely speculation.
    Considering 3.3 and 3.4, it's not looking good for WHM. AST is about to turbobuffed.
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  6. #86
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    I imagine we won't see a Lily rework until 5.0 to be honest. Despite how fundamentally useless the Lily system is for PvE content, the core of the WHM kit is still very capable. I'm going to play some devil's advocate here and hypothesize that S-E isn't really tweaking the Lily system much as any move towards making the Lily system be more impactful will most likely lead to a large shift in the healer balance. It's probably better and easier to re-purpose Lilies when 5.0 hits just because the balance will need to be adjusted anyway with the expanded kits.

    Back on the topic at hand, considering AST isn't "lolmeme" status like it was at it's inception in 3.0, I highly doubt we'll see any super buffs leading up to the 4.4 raid tier. If they did, it would just shatter the player's confidence in the development team even further. WHM's core kit still has strengths that neither AST nor SCH can replicate. Even if the WHM kit's strengths aren't speedkill meta worthy, it is certainly still progression meta worthy and is not something to ignore because progression will always exist as long as the raid community continues to grow.
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  7. #87
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    Gonna be honest, I never had to use lightspeed before to be a good AST. It wasnot even on my bar. Now, I might consider it.
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  8. #88
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Yeah, I always liked trying to use it for movement or AoE heavy phases but on all but O8S you invariably end up wanting to click it off long before it's finished =/

    If SE do remove the damage down component from it, that'll make it a much more versatile and useful cooldown across pretty much any level of content <3
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  9. #89
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Yeah, I always liked trying to use it for movement or AoE heavy phases but on all but O8S you invariably end up wanting to click it off long before it's finished =/

    If SE do remove the damage down component from it, that'll make it a much more versatile and useful cooldown across pretty much any level of content <3
    To be fair, as much as I dislike the sweeping buffs AST seems to be getting again, the Lightspeed change is the most needed.
    Lightspeed even since 3.0 never felt like a buff, it always felt like you were losing too much to make use of it. At least now it'll feel like an actual buff..
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  10. #90
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    To be fair, as much as I dislike the sweeping buffs AST seems to be getting again, the Lightspeed change is the most needed.
    Lightspeed even since 3.0 never felt like a buff, it always felt like you were losing too much to make use of it. At least now it'll feel like an actual buff..
    I agree, I'm loving the sound of the Lightspeed changes, plus the cast time reductions. It'll finally feel like the time mage love child it's supposed to be.
    The potency buffs feel a little unecessary.
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