To all those people that loved the MW and did not want an AH

[Tsuga]

This is the part where I stress that an Auction House, by definition, is a place where auctions are held; and that auctions, by definition, are timed events.

FFXI's AH, from everything I've heard about it, was so far away from being an auction, and so crappy besides, that I have to wonder why anyone would put it forward as an example of an AH. . .

The thing that made XI's auctions crappy was the fact that they were blind auctions. NOBODY was proposing that, ever. With 1.20 the MW turns into XI's AH, but without the blind auctions, which is exactly what we wanted (sans the setting up a retainer to do your selling, which is still unnecessary).

Also, retainers are timed as of 1.19, so if that's what people found crappy, that's what we have.

[Viridiana]

IT'S A GAME. Does it matter what it's CALLED?

In any discussion about whether or not an item is qualifies to be part of a group (or to be defined by a certain adjective, or what have you), it's important to establish a set of criteria for admittance to that group (or a clear definition of the adjective, etc.). This is to avoid the horrors of equivocation. So, yes, for the purpose of this discussion, it's important that we're all clear on what an Auction House, an auction, and perhaps even a bid are.

By a similar token, if we were discussing Pluto's status as a dwarf planet, it would be important to look at the IAU's criteria for planets and determine if Pluto meets them.

Now, for the purpose of the game, no, I don't much care what they call it. It could be the lollipop guild for all I care. Similarly, to many people Pluto will always be a planet. It's only in discussions about whether or not something really is what people claim it is that the definitions are important.

[Chezen]

@OP - I loled.

I like how some of the people that were against AH features are changing their tunes. Where are all of the "oh noes, my immersion!" people?

Who is changing who's tune? Did you see a single thread on here having a moo cow about the feature when it was announced? No, because no one (to my knowledge) was against it to begin with.

The people making a big deal are still the people who made the MW a big deal in the first place. You have a quick feature now, please let it rest.

[Rentahamster]

Delivered.

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That's the wrong one.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post365391

[Tsuga]

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I'm just getting a good laugh out of the OP, and you guys getting all defensive because you know that you're going to use a feature that you thought was "unnecessary".

[Chezen]

I'm just getting a good laugh out of the OP, and you guys getting all defensive because you know that you're going to use a feature that you thought was "unnecessary".

No, I'm not mad. Nor am I a "he". Nor am I going to use said feature. I'm a bit serious about it, yes. I don't have a lot of tolerance for adolescent behavior. Laugh all you like, grow up when you're ready.

Btw, I love the expression on Harrison Ford's face in that pic.

[Vorn]

And you really think an AH can't do that? I don't even...

Already stated you and others don't know what an auction actually is.

So let's hypothetically make one....
No more ward you have 1 storage unit, 1 delivery system ( I'm for this100% ) and 1 auction house. Regardless of what it's called or how it's run your dillusional thinking SE will give you the same amount of slots. It'll be 6-10 max, so now we've removed half the available selling space. This follows with, it will without a doubt only sell items single or set (stack) form, that also erasing items for sale because of incomplete stockings (and how most items are sold) that system also removes the ability to buy partial quantities from a seller, Both of these now eliminated give or take 50% of items available. Less supply.... Less competition.... And you think prices won't go chaotic? Anything battle/gathered will drop to ridiculous rates of people just trying to get rid of them, while finished items sky rocket because less are selling them.

Furthermore who ever heard of an free auction house.... Might as well go back to shouting for stuff if you want to avoid the fees. Have double slotted hq +3 48 weapon? And you'll get gouged week after week you try to sell it for a worthwhile price, should it not get sold.

Not to mention 1/2 the complaint is pretty much, omg I can't walk to the other side of the ward, it's so inconvenient. But running to back and forth to a delivery box and auction house to resell items unsold, or things you wish to adjust prices on ( paying more tax yet again)is fine? That's hypocritical.

I mean really, people need to think things thru before posting crap, that's why 1/2 the crap requested is complianed about after they change it.

[Tsuga]

Already stated you and others don't know what an auction actually is.

So let's hypothetically make one....
No more ward you have 1 storage unit, 1 delivery system ( I'm for this100% ) and 1 auction house. Regardless of what it's called or how it's run your dillusional thinking SE will give you the same amount of slots. It'll be 6-10 max, so now we've removed half the available selling space. This follows with, it will without a doubt only sell items single or set (stack) form, that also erasing items for sale because of incomplete stockings (and how most items are sold) that system also removes the ability to buy partial quantities from a seller, Both of these now eliminated give or take 50% of items available. Less supply.... Less competition.... And you think prices won't go chaotic? Anything battle/gathered will drop to ridiculous rates of people just trying to get rid of them, while finished items sky rocket because less are selling them.

Hypothetical situation slanted in a way to support your opinion. I will proceed to disregard, since this is not what anybody asked for in any of the pro AH threads, and it is clearly not what SE would have implemented given the MW changes that we're getting in 1.20.

Furthermore who ever heard of an free auction house.... Might as well go back to shouting for stuff if you want to avoid the fees. Have double slotted hq +3 48 weapon? And you'll get gouged week after week you try to sell it for a worthwhile price, should it not get sold.

The Market Wards aren't free.

Not to mention 1/2 the complaint is pretty much, omg I can't walk to the other side of the ward, it's so inconvenient. But running to back and forth to a delivery box and auction house to resell items unsold, or things you wish to adjust prices on ( paying more tax yet again)is fine? That's hypocritical.

We weren't asking for things to be sent to a delivery box. You're making a huge assumption based on what you've experienced in other games. We asked for the system to just let us BUY FROM THE MENU, a feature that is being implemented next patch, further proving that we had a valid point.

I mean really, people need to think things thru before posting crap, that's why 1/2 the crap requested is complianed about after they change it.

Our requests were pretty simple, and the biggest one has been met. I don't see how you can claim that buying from the menu is not an improvement to the current system, unless you're just being stubborn.

[Vorn]

Hypothetical situation slanted in a way to support your opinion. I will proceed to disregard, since this is not what anybody asked for in any of the pro AH threads, and it is clearly not what SE would have implemented given the MW changes that we're getting in 1.20.



The Market Wards aren't free.

What do you pay to them? Doesn't cost me anything to post an item. I only pay tax after it's sold. Ah is fee to post... So yes mw is FREE to use.



We weren't asking for things to be sent to a delivery box. You're making a huge assumption based on what you've experienced in other games. We asked for the system to just let us BUY FROM THE MENU, a feature that is being implemented next patch, further proving that we had a valid point.

So where is unsold expired/taken down mercendise going? I guess back in your pocket works I guess, unless it's rare. Buying from a menu is still the ward and not an auction....


Our requests were pretty simple, and the biggest one has been met. I don't see how you can claim that buying from the menu is not an improvement to the current system, unless you're just being stubborn.

Really. I don't know how many people need to say explain that wards with menu buy is not an auction? Infect you just said it.

[Alhanelem]

You still have to go into the wards to list items.

Also, I don't know why the OP has to be such a rude jacka$$.

These additions actually make a very good compromise between both crowds since they add convenience without taking anything away.