Most samurais ive met never used AOE

[Hugowulf]

Want to hear something funny (regarding the topic title)? I have been vote-dismissed multiple times for using any AoE as Samurai. On a serious note: Opening with Jinpu combo (for damage+), building Sens with Shifu/Fuga>Oka/Fuga>Mangetsu to convert them into H:Kaiten, build another 2 Sens for Tenka Gokken and repeat seems the only effective way to spam AoE more frequently. H:Guren's CD is too long, so you are more likely to use it after the Jinpu buff or as a finisher.

I feel like there is more to that story than just being “kicked” for using aoe abilities. If a dps runs ahead of me and bum rushes mobs while not using enmity dumps. Then I would kick that dps.

[Remus]

Want to hear something funny (regarding the topic title)? I have been vote-dismissed multiple times for using any AoE as Samurai.

Like the person above said there must be more to that story. I have been playing Samurai since the expansion launch and I haven't been kicked once for doing AoE on Samurai. You are on Omega so you are on the same data centre as me so I don't see why you would get kicked. If you said once I could understand but multiple?

[Lium]

I AoE all the time on my SAM in dungeons. I also spend a lot of time with zero TP because of it.

TP management is a huge issue for my SAM at level 56.

[Ryaz]

I AoE all the time on my SAM in dungeons. I also spend a lot of time with zero TP because of it.

TP management is a huge issue for my SAM at level 56.

It's a bit better at 60 because you can use Hagakure with 3 sen (use your two AoEs and Yukikaze combo for 60 kenki) to help you spam Kyuten a lot more in between Sen builders, killing enemies faster. Sam AoE is still a TP drain, but its definitely better when you use all your tools. Have a good Brd or Mch in your party who actually uses their regents and you can AoE for days. Well, at least long enough to kill most enemies.

And I also want to chime in that I've never been kicked for AoEing. Hell, I can recall being kicked exactly once and that was when a dungeon first started because people were trying to get their buddy in.

[Rivxkobe]

It's a bit better at 60 because you can use Hagakure with 3 sen (use your two AoEs and Kasha combo for 60 kenki) to help you spam Kyuten a lot more in between Sen builders, killing enemies faster.

I'm confused by this.

When AoEing you shouldn't really ever be using the Shifu/Kasha combo, using it wouldn't even get you a third Sen anyways. You should be starting with Jinpu/Gekko for the damage buff and then going into AoE, Hagakure the first two Sen and go from there. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's how it should go.

Anyway, I've also never been kicked for AoEing.

[Ryaz]

I'm confused by this.

When AoEing you shouldn't really ever be using the Shifu/Kasha combo, using it wouldn't even get you a third Sen anyways. You should be starting with Jinpu/Gekko for the damage buff and then going into AoE, Hagakure the first two Sen and go from there. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's how it should go.

Anyway, I've also never been kicked for AoEing.

I edited it... meant Yukikaze. I like to use it because it means an extra 10% damage on target (I like to target the mob with the highest health) and almost 1 full Kyuten or a full Kaiten.

[Rivxkobe]

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Oh. I get it now. Sometimes I do this as well. But usually I avoid single target if I have TP and Jinpu up.

[Darric]

I feel like there is more to that story than just being “kicked” for using aoe abilities. If a dps runs ahead of me and bum rushes mobs while not using enmity dumps. Then I would kick that dps.

You are quick to judge, nice. Honestly, i dont run ahead unnecessarily as DPS. Never. However, doesn't look like i can convince you about my PoV

Like the person above said there must be more to that story. I have been playing Samurai since the expansion launch and I haven't been kicked once for doing AoE on Samurai. You are on Omega so you are on the same data centre as me so I don't see why you would get kicked. If you said once I could understand but multiple?

Do you expect me to print-screen every bottom-of-the-barrel case I have to deal with? that would turn this thread into a gallery. Anyway, i was only telling what happened. In all honesty, if you dont believe it, well met then. Not very considerate of you both, tho.

[silentwindfr]

can i kick the elephant in the corridor? i means yes, you get more "DPS" by AoE and no one is in right mind for not aoe when you have more of 5-6 target, yes.... however, i want to point out something, some say that you get tons of dps when you aoe, that right, but that the total damage done, to the whole group, not per target, and that where it can be tricky.... if is a pull of meatshield monster that have ton of hp, use AoE can be the worst idea possible (outside of tenka gouken)
Fuga only deal 100 potency per target
mangestu and oka is 200 potency per target

means you will deal 300 potency (if you don't keep your buff) per target, it work when they are small monster with not alot of life, but don't work well if they have tons of life... worst if the other member of the group is not aoe, you will end out of tp in no time...
i will not say to not AoE, but to use wisely the AoE, some monster in pack have no life and can be killed quite fast in aoe, but if they are meatshield type... you will spend a looooooot of time to do full AoE.

the best is to go hybrid like pointed by some, and to know what your group can do and which type of monster deserve to be deal with the full aoe or not...

ps: dps can sometimes be a bad indicator of what a group do.... yes, in multi pull with full aoe you can reach insane number.... but in reality you are maybe doing subpar, don't forget that if the number of enemy is reduce faster, healer can toss a few attack inside, instead to heal the tank.

anyway, each situation and group can be different... the best is to talk with the sam with you, maybe he will change his way to play and adapt. communication is an incredible tool, you know?

[Ilan]

Most players don't use AOE because doing the math is to hard or they are just special snowflakes.