I would love to play more Ranked PVP buuuutttt....

[Gallus]

It's weird you mention the people playing it dissuade others whilst subtly making out you're some kind of veteran feast player in the same breath. They don't, they actively try to help others for the most part because those "newbie" players are the only hope of having a semi-active season for at least a few weeks. And they're still trying. All things considered this wasn't even a bad season, it fared far better than S6. In fact your entire post is painful to read, because you played horrendously this season then ragequit WPD discord after people tried helping you, which was quickly followed by you claiming it was a Discord full of basement dwellers and all sorts of other lovely things. The grind is only a grind when you rely on strong stacked teams to carry you to top 100 btw, this could be why you're nowhere to be seen in customs. I can understand negativity given the state of feast, but you offer no concepts for improvement whatsoever and you come across as a massive hypocrit, even if in the occasional case you're right.

If you're going to go, just go quietly lol.

Did you make up a story for your next book or is that really me you are speaking of? Who did you talk to that told you all this?
I played horrendously this season...?
Then a few people from a Discord Channel I've never been in attempted to help me?
I'm nowhere to be seen in a bunch of custom matches I've never even attempted to join?

Firstly, I'm by no means a Veteran player, I'm more like the newbie running away from a very unpleasant experience.
Secondly, not a single person offered me advice, all I got was harassment, insults, successive chat shouts, callouts and ignore mark spamming (there was that one day where no matter what I did things didn't seem to work out and I kept getting queued with the same people). I got a guy that literally quitted two times in a row when he saw me, then a couple more from Odin (which probably shared a linkshell there) who ignore mark spammed me for matches and matches. I was starting to get boycotted, so much for your friendly pvpers offering new players advice and trying to make the pvp community a better place.
Unless you are speaking about somebody else, because 90% of what you said about me is wrong.

[Cammel]

That's pvp in this game if a few players don't like you, everyone hates you and you are trash. But even that being said it's your own responsibility to become better just ignore people like that

[Astrophysx]

If you thought your situation was bad, try joining a league and play against one of the best teams in the world, using SMN for the first time in Feast against this team, streamed live in front of 180+ viewers in Twitch, and get destroyed. Then take a look at others negative and toxic comments about how bad your are at Feast in the chat box and discord.

Yeah, that was me. lol

My advice to you, as a veteran and friendly PvP’er, “Those who mind don’t matter, those who matter don’t mind.”

If you want advice on your game, the PvP community has a lot of veterans willing to help. All you need to do is ask. I mean, I managed to get help from some of the best players in this game, all of whom became a friend. ^_^

So yeah, the idea that all of us PvP’ers are toxic is a myth. And I think it’s up to the player to ignore the toxicity and trash of those that don’t matter, and focus on improving and enjoying the game with those that do.

[Gallus]

The 1 thing they haven't tried was making pvp good.

Rather ambiguous no?

So yeah, the idea that all of us PvP’ers are toxic is a myth. And I think it’s up to the player to ignore the toxicity and trash of those that don’t matter, and focus on improving and enjoying the game with those that do.

A myth? You mean SE's decision to completely remove the chat due to the report bombardment they got involving harassment was a mirage? I'm glad you can deal with all the garbage sprinklers that infest the ranked mode, but I'll tell you what, it still sucks. These people have established insults and swearing as part of the ranked mode itself, turning the competition into something that more and more people are starting to avoid. Yes, your only choice as of now is either ignoring/dealing with these people or step aside. The problem is still there though.

[Stormfur]

The vast majority of the PVP'ers I've played with (I started in Season 3) have been very helpful. As with any game, there are some bad apples and some that are downright rotten. Ideally, SE would've cut out the most severe griefers rather than removing the whole chat interface. It could've been a three-strike rule. Strike 1: you get a warning, Strike 2: You get a temporary ban so you cool off. Strike 3: you lose your ranking.

But then that creates its own set of problems. Who determines what's toxic?

For example, if someone messaged you after a match and said something like "You only did 1700 DPS that whole match. Learn to play, you stupid noob." - would that be considered toxic? Or someone could message "I hope you die in a fire and get cut out like the festering cancer cell you are" (something like this was actually said to me the first season I played. Fun!)

See, there's no "one size fits all" approach to it. And GMs would have to investigate every single report to determine just how far the toxicity/tilt meter goes.

It's a lot like that guy/gal in General Discussion right now talking about mods that make their character naked, and how uncomfortable it makes them. Probably most players would shrug and say "big deal", but for some, the idea is really disconcerting -- because if they can do THAT, what else can they do? So it's a fine line that GMs have to walk to determine how much to let slide, and when to bring the hammer down.

[FPZ]

Crimson Bloodrose, this is the only post I will make relating to you as I feel any type of logical conversation is pointless, based on your attitude and history.

Your logic as a whole is fundamentally flawed, and having sampled your recent post history, it's apparent that your arguments, insults and generalisations on 'reward exclusivity', 'ranked toxicity' and 'ranked players' mimic that of a pouty child whose feelings were hurt and tilted, now gate-keeping the official forums, forever dripping salt into anything relating to Feast.

Let me educate you with a single point that is based on reality:

• Whether it's ranked or normal, the same range of players will populate both modes and replicate the 'basement dwelling' behaviour that has triggered you. This voids a lot of your campaign, which is based on the naive thought that 'incentivizing' normal mode will filter out everyone in existence that 'tilts', thus creating a 'toxic free' environment where nobody's feelings get hurt. No.

[Gallus]

Just quoted this because it's the only thing worth replying to, the rest is just pretentious senseless bashing.

[*]Whether it's ranked or normal, the same range of players will populate both modes and replicate the 'basement dwelling' behaviour.[/LIST]

You couldn't be more wrong.

[Astrophysx]

Yes, your only choice as of now is either ignoring/dealing with these people or step aside. The problem is still there though.

Ignoring, dealing with, or stepping aside are the choices you can make for ALL toxic players in any competitive online game.

And there's no problem... if you don't care. XD

[Stormfur]

Whether it's ranked or normal, the same range of players will populate both modes and replicate the 'basement dwelling' behaviour that has triggered you. This voids a lot of your campaign, which is based on the naive thought that 'incentivizing' normal mode will filter out everyone in existence that 'tilts', thus creating a 'toxic free' environment where nobody's feelings get hurt. No.

I just want to add that this kind of behavior exists in PVE too, and some might say "well, why don't they have regular chat removed?!" And that's because EVERYONE plays PVE, and a fraction-of-a-fraction of a percent of the whole player-base plays PVP. In addition, PVP by its very nature is going to be competitive, and competition breeds toxicity -- especially if you are competing for such a small sliver of prizes available only to a select few in a select time window.

Nobody's saying we should all hold hands and skip through the tulips, but when you take a tiny fraction of the whole playerbase and make them go all Hunger Games for what fleeting rewards are available, you end up a much larger pool of the worst possible behavior.