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    I want to add on that in this day and age, lots of people just don't make good passwords in general. Passwords should be longer than five characters with uppercase, undercase, numbers, and symbols in them. My password for the game is at least 11 characters long with a combination of various things, it's also nothing that could be easily guessed from even people that know me well enough, but, like above what the OP said.

    I also use a One-Time-Password via my cellphone as well for extra security measure because it still is possible that hackers could crack my password with the tools that they have available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I want to add on that in this day and age, lots of people just don't make good passwords in general. Passwords should be longer than five characters with uppercase, undercase, numbers, and symbols in them. My password for the game is at least 11 characters long with a combination of various things, it's also nothing that could be easily guessed from even people that know me well enough, but, like above what the OP said.

    I also use a One-Time-Password via my cellphone as well for extra security measure because it still is possible that hackers could crack my password with the tools that they have available.
    Possible yes...but bloody damn hard with OTP on.
    Might as well make it as hard as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    Possible yes...but bloody damn hard with OTP on.
    Might as well make it as hard as possible.
    Well, I should have clarified that better. I meant that, it's possible that they could crack my password, despite it's long length, even if I wasn't using OTP. :P And that's why I have the OTP on anyways because the randomly generated number sequence will make sure that hackers can't run a program that would otherwise just run through variables until a number, letter, or symbol matched what I have been using.

    It's also a good idea to NOT use the same password for everything either. I hear about so many people doing this....don't use your online banking password as your password for the game! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Well, I should have clarified that better. I meant that, it's possible that they could crack my password, despite it's long length, even if I wasn't using OTP. :P And that's why I have the OTP on anyways because the randomly generated number sequence will make sure that hackers can't run a program that would otherwise just run through variables until a number, letter, or symbol matched what I have been using.

    It's also a good idea to NOT use the same password for everything either. I hear about so many people doing this....don't use your online banking password as your password for the game! lol
    Also good advice.
    Also - do not share your accounts guys.... aside from the obvious. Don't leave your computer unattended...etc..etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I want to add on that in this day and age, lots of people just don't make good passwords in general. Passwords should be longer than five characters with uppercase, undercase, numbers, and symbols in them. My password for the game is at least 11 characters long with a combination of various things, it's also nothing that could be easily guessed from even people that know me well enough, but, like above what the OP said.

    I also use a One-Time-Password via my cellphone as well for extra security measure because it still is possible that hackers could crack my password with the tools that they have available.
    correcthorsebatterystaple

    https://xkcd.com/936/


    XD



    On topic.

    Yes, use the one time password feature.
    It's free with a mobile phone, and iirc you can even use an emulator if you don't have a mobile phone.

    You even get a free teleport destination!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    Also good advice.
    Also - do not share your accounts guys.... aside from the obvious. Don't leave your computer unattended...etc..etc.
    don't forget to shred your personal documents and pulverize your cd's/dvd's/usb/hard drives!!!!!

    security is everyone's concern!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linx0r View Post
    and pulverize your cd's/dvd's/usb/hard drives!!!!!
    For some reason my brain made the "d'susbhard" part of that read as "husband's" and I was very briefly worried that someone was advocating domestic violence before reading it closer to make sure I read what I had read. Please don't pulverize your husbands! D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    For some reason my brain made the "d'susbhard" part of that read as "husband's" and I was very briefly worried that someone was advocating domestic violence before reading it closer to make sure I read what I had read. Please don't pulverize your husbands! D:
    lol yush, don't pulverize any living things.....lol I know it seems far fetched to do all this, but you would be surprised how your life can be turned upside down by someone acquiring your banking info and mailing addy. let's be safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I want to add on that in this day and age, lots of people just don't make good passwords in general. Passwords should be longer than five characters with uppercase, undercase, numbers, and symbols in them. My password for the game is at least 11 characters long with a combination of various things, it's also nothing that could be easily guessed from even people that know me well enough, but, like above what the OP said.

    I also use a One-Time-Password via my cellphone as well for extra security measure because it still is possible that hackers could crack my password with the tools that they have available.
    Don't bother with making an overly complex password, just make something you can remember unique to this game.


    The OTP is your insurance against someone being able to replay-attack/keylogging. Also do not use an Android emulator for your OTP on the same machine. Buy an authenticator if you're unwilling to put the authenticator software on your personal cell phone or tablet. OTP doesn't protect against session jacking.

    Now you might ask... wait, why can my account get jacked anyway?

    Yes. MMO's can be jacked several ways

    1) Username and Password jacked by brute force (which is usually not done) by emulating the launcher.
    2) Username and Password jacked by password reuse
    3) Username and Password jacked by keylogging/malware by hooking the keyboard api.
    4) Session jacked by unauthorized third party software/mods (don't trust anything you can not get the source code for and compile yourself)
    5) Session jacked by network replay attack (compromised browser plugins)
    6) Session jacked by shared proxy (players using VPN's)
    7) Account compromised by Remote access tools (eg Teamviewer) on the system.

    Clearly the easiest is #2, which you shouldn't reuse passwords in the first place.

    Of these, #4 is not that hard to pull off as it bypasses the username/password/OTP process by simulating the game launcher and passing along the session string while it's hooked into the process, while it secretly passes along that information to a third party. So you will probably find that people who report being hacked, were probably engaging in RMT, or modding, or used a third party tool for some reason and naively trusted a total stranger on the internet.

    Earlier on in V2.x A player reported to the forums that they couldn't log into the game, but I found them in the game, being a RMT spammer. So, people will deny they did anything wrong, even if they clearly did, and just want to save face.

    With #7, Teamviewer is often a vector by which accounts get stripped and deleted as well. If you used TeamViewer or other remote access tools to let someone "Borrow your account" or play remotely yourself, you are opening yourself up to a world of hurt if you don't uninstall the software immediately after you don't need it anymore.

    The only way to prevent all of above is by requiring a OTP to login/delete the character. If your game is idle and goes AFK, it should also request a OTP to come out of AFK mode. But it doesn't do that.


    Quote Originally Posted by wizisi2k View Post
    a OTP is good to have... until the day that you have to hand in your phone at the end of its 18-month lease. Then you HAVE to deactivate all 2-factor for any and all apps that use it on your phone. Once you have a new one, you gotta reset all your 2-factors. I got this coming up in September and my options are: do what I said (deactivate Steam's 2 factor, SE's, uplay's) and risk compromisation OR pay $216 to own the phone. security token apps are only good if you have a smartphone too or want to spend more on them every few years. While it's possible to crack my account, I have proof of ownership to get it back.
    I actually use my ipad 3 for this. As it doesn't recieve updates anymore from Apple, the only risk of "losing" the OTP generator is by losing the ipad or it being damaged. I didn't put it on my phone because SE's authenticator doesn't work through major OS updates, and the phone tends to update automatically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Four random common words
    This is what I do, with the addition of using a different set of four for every password I have (as long as the password requirements let me.) Even with the multiple accounts it's quite easy to remember them, and more importantly, to type them out.
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