Did we not just get two $18 outfits 2 weeks ago?

[Lium]

...and I picked my option when I went from WoW to here because Blizzard felt super greedy.

I come from SWTOR, where items in the Cartel Market (their cash shop) go for as much as $50 USD. Not an exaggeration. Then you have to pay even more money if you want to unlock the item account-wide.

So, you'll excuse me if I find the complaints here to be utterly laughable.

[Enla]

I come from SWTOR, where items in the Cartel Market (their cash shop) go for as much as $50 USD. Not an exaggeration. Then you have to pay even more money if you want to unlock the item account-wide.

So, you'll excuse me if I find the complaints here to be utterly laughable.

Eh, I come from SWTOR as well but I don't think the concerns here are laughable. Just because SE hasn't shown EA's legendary levels of greed and lack of care for their fanbase, it doesn't mean people can't be concerned or feel they're being nickle and dimed. Though I will admit that I very much do not miss being a part of EA's years long tantrum over being forced to turn SWTOR F2P and the resulting freemium economy.

[Lium]

Eh, I come from SWTOR as well but I don't think the concerns here are laughable. Just because SE hasn't shown EA's legendary levels of greed and lack of care for their fanbase, it doesn't mean people can't be concerned or feel they're being nickle and dimed. Though I will admit that I very much do not miss being a part of EA's years long tantrum over being forced to turn SWTOR F2P and the resulting freemium economy.

You're right. Laughable may not have been the right word to use there. I just find all the gripes about paying $18 for a pair of wings is not that big of a deal. Especially coming from a game that truly does nickel and dime you on just about everything.

As an aside, there are legitimate issues in this game. I just don't think this is one of them.

[Jijifli]

Nobody is making you buy it, why is this even a discussion?

Honestly you guys can complain about the prices all you want but it's not like they're holding us at gunpoint. People who want it will get it, and the fact we're getting all these chinese exclusives in close proximity (not to mention getting them AT ALL) is pretty decent considering the legal limbo with China and Korea.

You're right, nobody's making me buy it. Nobody's making me do anything. Technically speaking I don't have to heal on a healer, that's just optimizing. Most content you don't need a healer anyways. You don't need my dps on a BLM, I can just stand there. Doesn't make it impossible, just slower, but that's just an optional thing, right?

Please stop using optional as an excuse. Literally the entire game is optional. Specially when I am not even saying they have to lower the price. Just making it account wide, you know, that thing that lets my alts get it too, would make me shut up. It'd be worth $18 if I could get it on at least 1 extra character.

I come from SWTOR, where items in the Cartel Market (their cash shop) go for as much as $50 USD. Not an exaggeration. Then you have to pay even more money if you want to unlock the item account-wide.

So, you'll excuse me if I find the complaints here to be utterly laughable.

SWTOR I knew would be a problem from the start, so I avoided it. I was moreso mentioning WoW because I came from WoD, where they did very little and felt like they were just using it to milk an extra buck for doing nothing. I have friends on SWTOR, and they know I don't play it for the same reason, the company feels too greedy. I'm not stating Square's the greediest company in the world, I'm stating it's looking like they're going for milking over consumer.

[Emstidor]

You're right, nobody's making me buy it. Nobody's making me do anything. Technically speaking I don't have to heal on a healer, that's just optimizing. Most content you don't need a healer anyways. You don't need my dps on a BLM, I can just stand there. Doesn't make it impossible, just slower, but that's just an optional thing, right?

Please stop using optional as an excuse. Literally the entire game is optional. Specially when I am not even saying they have to lower the price. Just making it account wide, you know, that thing that lets my alts get it too, would make me shut up. It'd be worth $18 if I could get it on at least 1 extra character.

This is not the great argument you seem to think it is, and that's coming from someone who agrees with you 100% about making the items account-wide. The fact that the items are indeed optional and not p2w is entirely relevant to the discussion, you can't just dismiss it outright.

[Jijifli]

This is not the great argument you seem to think it is, and that's coming from someone who agrees with you 100% about making the items account-wide. The fact that the items are indeed optional and not p2w is entirely relevant to the discussion, you can't just dismiss it outright.

Stating it's optional so it's fine is defeating the whole point of things being reasonable. If they did something like requiring you to pay an extra $10 a month sub to do savage, would that be fine? Savage is completely optional after all, and the gear isn't needed to do any content in the game. What about locking crafters with a $5 to unlock each crafter? YOU don't have to, because someone else can, so for you it's completely optional.

I know comparing game functions to gear sounds stupid, but I'm trying to keep FFXIV comparisons with FFXIV comparisons here. Just because it is optional, doesn't mean anything can be done to it and it's fine. And it's not like I've denied they are optional. Anyone could have seen they are optional. Nowhere, anywhere, did I make a statement that they are not optional items. I didn't state these items would keep me out of a raid, or allow me to perform better than someone else.

[NephthysVasudan]

I know comparing game functions to gear sounds stupid,

We're done here i think.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Stating it's optional so it's fine is defeating the whole point of things being reasonable. If they did something like requiring you to pay an extra $10 a month sub to do savage, would that be fine? Savage is completely optional after all, and the gear isn't needed to do any content in the game. What about locking crafters with a $5 to unlock each crafter? YOU don't have to, because someone else can, so for you it's completely optional.

I know comparing game functions to gear sounds stupid, but I'm trying to keep FFXIV comparisons with FFXIV comparisons here. Just because it is optional, doesn't mean anything can be done to it and it's fine. And it's not like I've denied they are optional. Anyone could have seen they are optional. Nowhere, anywhere, did I make a statement that they are not optional items. I didn't state these items would keep me out of a raid, or allow me to perform better than someone else.

This is a false equivalent fallacy.

You cannot compare a dress to gameplay because only one inherently prevents you from actually playing the game or progressing forward. Savage may be optional, however putting it behind a paywall abruptly halts the entire game. But you don't do Savage, thus it wouldn't hinder your gameplay, you say. Okay. Let's take this to its logical extreme. Everything is technically optional: Dungeons, 24 mans, Savage, Ultimate, Crafting, Gathering, PotD and etc. Therefore, they too, would be effected by such a paid restriction. Now does it effect your gameplay? The Angelic/Demonic outfits, meanwhile, change literal nothing about how the game plays or functions beyond your appearance. Hence why people put far less stock in the occasional cosmetic going onto a cash shop. And it isn't as though we get ugly alternatives like say, Black Desert.

[HyoMinPark]

You're right, nobody's making me buy it. Nobody's making me do anything. Technically speaking I don't have to heal on a healer, that's just optimizing. Most content you don't need a healer anyways. You don't need my dps on a BLM, I can just stand there. Doesn't make it impossible, just slower, but that's just an optional thing, right?

This is a very bad argument and a very bad comparison to make. You’re talking about how everything is “optional”, but this argument is just debating the semantics of the word.

Buying or not buying an outfit from the cash shop gives you no advantage over other players; it does not impact gameplay in even the slightest other than you have a different piece of level 1 gear that you paid for. (I’m still laughing at those claiming the EXP boosts are P2W—are you going to be wearing your level 1 glamour gear in Haukke Manor for that EXP boost? Because good luck getting away with that! People don’t even buy the outfits for the EXP bonus—they do it for glamour!) Not healing your team as a healer, or not DPSing as a DPS does impact the gameplay, be it by causing a wipe because you aren’t healing or by meeting enrage in high-end content because you want to be an Ice Mage.

They are not the same thing. Debating the “optionalness” of it is just you trying to argue semantics, and failing.

Stating it's optional so it's fine is defeating the whole point of things being reasonable. If they did something like requiring you to pay an extra $10 a month sub to do savage, would that be fine? Savage is completely optional after all, and the gear isn't needed to do any content in the game. What about locking crafters with a $5 to unlock each crafter? YOU don't have to, because someone else can, so for you it's completely optional.

See above. Also look up on how effective hyperbole are to making solid arguments—I’ll tell you now, they aren’t. If you want people to listen to you, don’t exaggerate. It just makes it even more to dismiss what you’re trying to say.

whales
fanboy apologists
you fanboys
May I suggest at least 1 business course at your local community college...

I was listening to your post until you started with comments like these. Sorry, but I don’t listen to people who toss in backhanded remarks to try and further their arguments. Why don’t you just refer to these individuals as just “people”, then get back to me.

If there is anything that will be quick to turn people off of arguments, it’s throwing names like “whales”, “apologists”, and “fanboys” around. As well as statements with no statistical evidence trying to be construed as fact (which your post also contained).

[Rogatum]

I’m still laughing at those claiming the EXP boosts are P2W—are you going to be wearing your level 1 glamour gear in Haukke Manor for that EXP boost? Because good luck getting away with that! People don’t even buy the outfits for the EXP bonus—they do it for glamour!.

I do that, I will take any additional experience being I find the leveling experience in this game to be atrocious, I will take whatever bonus I can get.