Did we not just get two $18 outfits 2 weeks ago?

[ShanXiv]

we didn't had the cash shop in the first year of ARR, and surprisingly, we didn't had less content than today. 3 dungeons per patch, ex primals, lots of relic quests, pvp, housing, raids, treasure maps, beast tribes... all that stuff was introduced back then. and then they reworked WAR in the meantime and developed NIN...

all without extra money from the cash shop.

BUT, SE had 1m+ subs in ARR
2017/10/1=798081
2017/12/1=651298
2018/1/27=606584
2018/3/11=536830

see that? XIV is bleeding subs, now the number is even lower than pre SB (2017/6/6=581437),
the real problem is not the mog station, it's the content, the formula

[Bourne_Endeavor]

BUT, SE had 1m+ subs in ARR
2017/10/1=798081
2017/12/1=651298
2018/1/27=606584
2018/3/11=536830

see that? XIV is bleeding subs, now the number is even lower than pre SB (2017/6/6=581437),
the real problem is not the mog station, it's the content, the formula

Bleeding subs would be a consistent downward trend. Virtually every game will see a temporary surge when launching an expansion, DLC and etc only to drop down again once the initial hype wanes. That isn't to say FFXIV's predictable formula isn't a growing concern, but it's not to the expend you're insinuating.

[ShanXiv]

Bleeding subs would be a consistent downward trend. Virtually every game will see a temporary surge when launching an expansion, DLC and etc only to drop down again once the initial hype wanes. That isn't to say FFXIV's predictable formula isn't a growing concern, but it's not to the expend you're insinuating.

WOW & FFXI didn't bleed 35% subs in 6 months during their prime time

to cover the loss， ya more mog station items

[KisaiTenshi]

Pay for Convenience really. It's only great when you're under level 30 and have the entire set on, which a person will outgrow fairly fast to the point it'll be no more than just what it is initially, glamour only. If we're going to start calling glamour sets with extra features that become useless fluff after level 30 pay to win, then geez, where's the outrage on my Ala Mihgan earrings I can use up to level 50 on all jobs and classes.

There's a difference here. You got the earrings when you pre-ordered Stormblood.


Square-Enix is kinda notorious right now for "preorder bonus" insanity.

Pre-ordering is not an additional cost, unlike the collectors edition. However they are "gone" once the pre-order is no longer available. That said, I believe the intent behind the earrings was to incentivize players to level up to 50 so they could try SAM/RDM, just like how "Brand-new Ring" was to bring new players up to level 30 faster to try AST/MCH/DRK

There's also the Friendship Circlet, which you can only get by recruiting a friend.

But this... an entire left-hand gear set with a bonus is a P2W item, there is no other way to see it that way. This is what P2W games do in order to incentivize you to buy a new outfit every month. Now you can look at it and go "well it only applies to level 30 and below", yeah, and forming a FC requires 3 people to get the FC bonus exp, yet people are always begging to temporarily join their FC so they can form the FC and take advantage of this bonus.

If you give players an incentive to cheese the EXP bonus, they will take it, even if that is not the intent. Given that pretty much all 1.x/2.x players have most/everything at level 30 or above obviously the P2W benefit gets them nothing. But oh hey, an incentive to create a new character ?

Seriously, I'd be willing to overlook that if it applied account-wide, because that might incentive playing on other characters, but this is just straight up P2W BS. Look forward to seeing more of these things.

WOW & FFXI didn't bleed 35% subs in 6 months during their prime time

to cover the loss， ya more mog station items

V1.0 went down to 20K subs at some point IIRC, so we're nowhere near that.

[Jijifli]

Optional items. No effect on end game content. People complaining about. You are all starting to sound like WoW players, complaining about things that don't matter. Seriously it's optional. Devs who manage the store are also different from those who give us content. The Wings aren't going to make someone DPS/Heal/Tank better than you. Let people have their fun, stop being crabby pants about it.

You didn't read, did you.

First off, the entire game is optional. Savage is optional. Crafting and gathering is optional. Talking to people is optional. I never am forced at gunpoint to do those.

I am NOT, and stressing it, NOT SAYING NEVER GIVE IT. Literally part of my point behind this is the fact I LIKE one of the outfits, and $18 is so much for a single character.

Also, nowhere did I say they gave an advantage, or that others shouldn't have it. I even said if you want them, you can buy them, I'm not your mommy. My main gripe is them being that price and being for 1 character only.

but this is just straight up P2W BS.

Extra note here, because I wanna cover on this.

I'm fairly positive that the bonuses only exist to make an excuse for the price tag. Look at every $18 item on the mog station, they're the only outfits with the set bonus. Only one of them didn't, and it has one now after time passed. They aren't there as a P2W bonus, and honestly, they really aren't. Nobody's going to buy them for the set bonus, it's already so easy to get to 30.

[Sigma-Astra]

But this... an entire left-hand gear set with a bonus is a P2W item, there is no other way to see it that way. This is what P2W games do in order to incentivize you to buy a new outfit every month. Now you can look at it and go "well it only applies to level 30 and below", yeah, and forming a FC requires 3 people to get the FC bonus exp, yet people are always begging to temporarily join their FC so they can form the FC and take advantage of this bonus. If you give players an incentive to cheese the EXP bonus, they will take it, even if that is not the intent.

Given that pretty much all 1.x/2.x players have most/everything at level 30 or above obviously the P2W benefit gets them nothing. But oh hey, an incentive to create a new character?

Seriously, I'd be willing to overlook that if it applied account-wide, because that might incentive playing on other characters, but this is just straight up P2W BS. Look forward to seeing more of these things.

I don't really consider that P2W as much as it's more or less just a PTC, mostly because getting up to level 30 slightly faster, when they already have certain servers with the exp buff, isn't exactly winning at much besides you know, getting to level 30 and unlocking your job stone slightly faster than somebody else. The Eastern Lady Togi set has an exp buff I believe as well if I'm not mistaken, not that I ever used it when I first bought it because the stats on actual dungeon gear far outweighed the experience boost in my opinion, so it became nothing more than glamour.

If they made it so someone could get up to level 60 or 70 faster, then I'd say it was a case for pay-to-win, because they're basically by-passing what most players consider to be the most grueling parts of the leveling process.

They already made specialized servers that have an exp buff as well in order to get to 60, so really, the exp buff gained from the costume is no worse than that, in my opinion.

[ShanXiv]

V1.0 went down to 20K subs at some point IIRC, so we're nowhere near that.

it's close
V1.1x-V1.2x were going up, with so little development cost,
because the contents in V1.2x were fun, & didn't die in 2 weeks after a new patch was just released.

oh and the number in XI is increasing too, remember, XI has no new content since 2015
because there is something special in such old school mmo

XIV ARR is a "modern" MMO, so you got the modern cash shop LOL

[Tint]

BUT, SE had 1m+ subs in ARR
2017/10/1=798081
2017/12/1=651298
2018/1/27=606584
2018/3/11=536830

see that? XIV is bleeding subs, now the number is even lower than pre SB (2017/6/6=581437),
the real problem is not the mog station, it's the content, the formula

FF14 never had over 1 mio subs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...a_101/dnsgiki/

it was always going up and down between 500k and 850k, so nothing too special here.

and yeah the content formula is a real problem. but they mabye should fix that and make better content, instead of covering their failures and the loss in subs with more mog station income...

[Tadertots]

Nobody is making you buy it, why is this even a discussion?

Honestly you guys can complain about the prices all you want but it's not like they're holding us at gunpoint. People who want it will get it, and the fact we're getting all these chinese exclusives in close proximity (not to mention getting them AT ALL) is pretty decent considering the legal limbo with China and Korea.

[KisaiTenshi]

If they made it so someone could get up to level 60 or 70 faster, then I'd say it was a case for pay-to-win, because they're basically by-passing what most players consider to be the most grueling parts of the leveling process.

Look forward to that in next months outfit.