Did we not just get two $18 outfits 2 weeks ago?

[MicahZerrshia]

Optional items. No effect on end game content. People complaining about. You are all starting to sound like WoW players, complaining about things that don't matter. Seriously it's optional. Devs who manage the store are also different from those who give us content. The Wings aren't going to make someone DPS/Heal/Tank better than you. Let people have their fun, stop being crabby pants about it.

This is a poorly thought out and lazy argument. It's not about having a cash shop. That is completely fine. It's the fact that SE is charging more for an outfit than for a sub than adding insult to injury by making it per character instead of account wide. The reason we have this problem in the game industry today is because of whales who buy everything and because of fanboy apologists who don't realize that this type of business plan is bad for their most favoritist game in the long run.

People who have yet to play the game look at having to buy the game + having to pay a sub then see it has a cash shop with extremely high price tags and opt to just not play the game. Thus making the amount of new players fewer and with the redundancy of patches having people either quit all together or take long breaks means fewer and fewer people playing.

If SE had reasonable prices with account wide merchandise or benefits like other games have who give cash shop credit for each dollar you spend on a sub, that would keep people from opting out because the price tag looks too large for, lets face it, a sub par mmo surviving mostly on name and fan service.

I'm tellin ya, you fanboys need to step back and realize you are hurting your game more than helping it by defending poor choices by a select few who want a bigger bonus on a game that is inconsequential to them. If you really love the game you will praise the devs when they do good but also call them out when they are doing something shady or just obviously and ridiculously greedy. May I suggest at least 1 business course at your local community college...

[Skattered]

There are at least 5-6 sets i'm itching to get but they are just too expensive. Waiting for some sort of a special going. Is that even a thing with mogshop?

[Kleeya]

For my part what is bugging me more than the outfits not being account wide, is that they aren't even adapted to races having a tail like some other (sadly too rare) items :



For this price you would think that they would put a bit more work into this. After all, if it was more polished instead of giving the impression that it was rushed, more people would buy it.

[giwaman]

Please stop complaining they're pretty good.

[KisaiTenshi]

I know we are bringing them from other sections that normally were exclusive to them (Like China) but still. We just got two $18 outfits in the mog station only two weeks ago, and now we just got two that. That's a lot, so why so fast? Honestly it makes me afraid to even try to request outfits, knowing it'll just be $18 on a shop.

Oh well.

This is the very definition of Pay To Win (Take note of EXP Bonus)

[Sigma-Astra]

People who have yet to play the game look at having to buy the game + having to pay a sub then see it has a cash shop with extremely high price tags and opt to just not play the game. Thus making the amount of new players fewer and with the redundancy of patches having people either quit all together or take long breaks means fewer and fewer people playing.

I feel as if this part of your opinion doesn't hold as much weight as the others simply because if paying for a subscription service and seeing that there are optional items to buy inside of the cash shop that may be a little expensive would be a make it or break it type deal for a new player, then they're not going to be satisfied with any sort of leading, subscription-based MMO that they find in the current industry. That just means that if they're staying away from XIV, they're going to stay away from WoW as well because it's not any worse or better in that regard.

WoW is still alive and kicking with new players, we'll live. We're not dying yet.

I'm tellin ya, you fanboys need to step back and realize you are hurting your game more than helping it by defending poor choices by a select few who want a bigger bonus on a game that is inconsequential to them. If you really love the game you will praise the devs when they do good but also call them out when they are doing something shady or just obviously and ridiculously greedy. May I suggest at least 1 business course at your local community college...

I also kind of feel that the snip at the end was a little unnecessary. It's not really hurting the game as opposed towards that it's just really hurting your faith in the developers/directors whom more than likely don't make the calls regarding the cash shop prices, the business Controller (person responsible for high-level accounting, managerial accounting, and finance activities that either reports to the CFO (Chief Financing Officer) or actually is the CFO) makes those calls...which are orders probably given by the CEO's of SE. Greedy or not is a personal gripe of the consumer, a business strives to make as much money as possible while keeping customer satisfaction at a 99.9% uptime through supply and demand.

And SE seems to be doing just that even if some of us complain that $18 is a little much. And before you snipe and call me a fanboy, note that I don't agree with that pricing either because the outfits should be account-wide and then the $18 would make a bit more sense, especially when a $30 fanfest outfit is account-wide. However, they're a business, they're not doing anything shady or illegal. It would be shady if they decided to, you know, add a hidden extra "glamour" tax to all of our subs behind our backs without proper notification every month.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm tellin ya, you fanboys need to step back and realize you are hurting your game more than helping it by defending poor choices by a select few who want a bigger bonus on a game that is inconsequential to them. If you really love the game you will praise the devs when they do good but also call them out when they are doing something shady or just obviously and ridiculously greedy. May I suggest at least 1 business course at your local community college...

This assumes everyone must share your opinion, and it's inherently right because you claim it so. I, personally, couldn't care less. If I want something, I'll purchase it, if I don't, I will not. And I'm hardly quiet in my criticisms of the game. I simply disagree with the notion of an impeding epidemic where the game will go F2P, P2W or whatever other doom say because they elect to toss up old event glamour and outfits exclusive to separate regions. What if the doom say does occur, you ask? I will reevaluate then whether I want to continue playing.

And that business course would explain any company's primary focus is maximizing their profits whilst towing a PR line. Considering within less than an hour Cactuar was littered with Angelic/Demonic outfits, as was Balmumg. People do not share your opinion en masse, thus SE doesn't give a damn if reddit or the forums complain.

[Sigma-Astra]

This is the very definition of Pay To Win (Take note of EXP Bonus)

Pay for Convenience really. It's only great when you're under level 30 and have the entire set on, which a person will outgrow fairly fast to the point it'll be no more than just what it is initially, glamour only. If we're going to start calling glamour sets with extra features that become useless fluff after level 30 pay to win, then geez, where's the outrage on my Ala Mihgan earrings I can use up to level 50 on all jobs and classes.

[Miste]

People who have yet to play the game look at having to buy the game + having to pay a sub then see it has a cash shop with extremely high price tags and opt to just not play the game. Thus making the amount of new players fewer and with the redundancy of patches having people either quit all together or take long breaks means fewer and fewer people playing.

I'd like to see your statistical research and studies on this that prove that a large amount of potential FFXIV players are deciding not to play it solely due to cash shop prices on optional items.

Got any data? If not then...your argument is also poorly thought out and lazy.

[Maleficent]

The community's opinions on the cash shop are a rather wide spectrum.
From [No Cash Shop in Sub Game] ------- to ------ [More cute outfits / mounts please] and [Prices should be $X] ----- to ----- [Prices are okay].

It might be worth stating what one feels is a fair price for an outfit if price is a concern. Cheap and expensive are relative.

My personal view is that the going sub is the same as when WoW launched in 2001. For me personally, I see it getting USD 21 value (after inflation) for USD 15. I'm fine if the cash shops helps make up the USD 6 per month. I think it's a better model than setting the sub at USD 21 and pricing out a greater number of players. Some of the community are outside NA, EU and a single US 1 increase is a lot. 1.2x to 7x.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I'm just sharing my perspective. I do understand the points in everyone's position on the spectrum.