If it’s between Dancer and Chemist for 5.0 which should be our next healer?

[ManuelBravo]

Not to spoil it, if people played trough the SB MSQ or ASt story line they should of seen the hint they gave -.- NPC Kyokuho

[Rayo]

Not to spoil it, if people played trough the SB MSQ they should of seen the hint they gave -.-

well, I don't recall any hint they gave at Geomancy during the MSQ, unless you mean the AST storyline. Though they do seem to be hinting at Geomancers/geomancy playing a bigger part in the future, as the 4.3 Dungeon lore now states that the dungeon is not just a tomb for an ancient general, but also the founder of Geomancy

[RukiaFae]

In most polls I see on, dancer seems lead in the polls. I wonder what they are hoping for on the Japanese servers? I pray they listen and give us dancer.

Geomancer would be better as a dps because I think it would be too close to WHM to be a healer.

[Miste]

They relied on TP for their healing among other things. Your argument is moot.
Thank you for playing. Try again. GG

And you could easily make Dancer use MP for their dances instead or a combination of TP/MP for their kit. So what argument? Dancer could heal in FFXI this is a fact, doesn't mean FFXIV's Dancer would have to be exactly the same and have to use TP. Even if it did it could work if designed properly.

What resource they use is such a minor thing compared to simply how the job flows and is played.

I mean its fine for you to not like the idea of Dancer as a healer and prefer Chemist, everyone has opinions, but this level of salt towards other people is just like....why? Relax a little?

[Usho]

I mean its fine for you to not like the idea of Dancer as a healer and prefer Chemist, everyone has opinions, but this level of salt towards other people is just like....why? Relax a little?

Salt for who? You don't even say who I have salt for, yet you want to come at me? Okay. First of all, I like how you jump on the bandwagon of people who want to bite my head off for stating my opinion and the facts of how Dancer is how it wouldn't be good as a main healer, yet you tell me to relax? For voicing my opinion or objection? You must new to debates missy. This is a opinion based thread with people who have their own bias about these kinds of jobs and I'm doing what the thread is intended for, stating my opinion, while also using facts to state why it shouldn't be a healer. If it causes a small debate, then it's fine, it was more civil than more threads I see like this on this board.


Next time, instead of jumping on the bandwagon to gang up on someone for voicing an opinion or debating an opinion, how about you either come up with a better counter punch or mind your own business?

[Pastahnak]

I want to say chemist because the mix mechanic people have made so far sounds really fun and engaging, but I also want to say dancer because a melee healer (melee dps rotation, ranged/aoe heals) is totally different and I personally like melee over ranged(I find myself doing better at battle mechanics at melee than ranged). I haven't played Ast so I haven't heard about the Geomancer stuff, but I'm sure they'd find a way to make it unique. Healer feels like the role they've excelled at with balance and game play and I'd be ok with whatever they decide (just pls not another double dps expansion)

[Kabooa]

Next time, instead of jumping on the bandwagon to gang up on someone for voicing an opinion or debating an opinion, how about you either come up with a better counter punch or mind your own business?

Chill, dawg.

[Shurrikhan]

Salt for who? You don't even say who I have salt for, yet you want to come at me? Okay. First of all, I like how you jump on the bandwagon of people who want to bite my head off for stating my opinion and the facts of how Dancer is how it wouldn't be good as a main healer, yet you tell me to relax? For voicing my opinion or objection? You must new to debates missy. This is a opinion based thread with people who have their own bias about these kinds of jobs and I'm doing what the thread is intended for, stating my opinion, while also using facts to state why it shouldn't be a healer. If it causes a small debate, then it's fine, it was more civil than more threads I see like this on this board.


Next time, instead of jumping on the bandwagon to gang up on someone for voicing an opinion or debating an opinion, how about you either come up with a better counter punch or mind your own business?

You're using premises that have absolutely no lasting weight in order to dismiss entire concepts. What Dancer was, as with any other XIV job, has zero technical pull on what it could be or likely would be in XIV. It carries, at most, precedent aesthetic; all else is replaceable.

Unless that level of fallacy is somehow unintentional, I don't see how you're even attempting to debate an opinion, yourself.

Are you under the impression that debate is simply an exchange of fallacious jabs or that logic permits details of one concept or system to then be applied to an entirely different concept or system? It's not, and they cannot.

[Miste]

Okay. First of all, I like how you jump on the bandwagon of people who want to bite my head off for stating my opinion and the facts of how Dancer is how it wouldn't be good as a main healer, yet you tell me to relax?

Please show me where I "bit your head off"?

You posted your opinion on a public forum.

I replied to your post with my opinion about the topic and about your post.

I am totally relaxed, and I politely told you that it seems you are being unnecessarily salty instead of simply discussing the topic and questioned you why you feel it necessary to do that.

Don't like to hear my opinion about your post? That's too bad sir, since you posted it in a public forum where others can reply with their opinions about your post.

You must new to debates missy.

Nope, I am definitely not, but you may be? Since it seems you have an issue with someone replying to your posts. Having a debate in a public forum means you may have people like me reply to you. This isn't an echo chamber.

This is a opinion based thread with people who have their own bias about these kinds of jobs and I'm doing what the thread is intended for, stating my opinion, while also using facts to state why it shouldn't be a healer.

Yeah, you stated your opinion and I chose to state mine.

Public Forum, remember?

Next time, instead of jumping on the bandwagon to gang up on someone for voicing an opinion or debating an opinion, how about you either come up with a better counter punch or mind your own business?

Oh, dear sir, I did not "gang up" on you.

You shouldn't post in a public forum if you are afraid of counter opinions or that people might reply to you with their opinions about what you publicly posted.

You can't ask someone else to mind their own business about your opinions when you are posting them in a public discussion forum where anyone can reply with their opinion as freely as you were able to post yours.

Think about what you just posted and reflect on the hypocrisy therein.

[MoroMurasaki]

Why is Dancer even in this question? Dancer had never been a healer. It's a dps with some healing ability like RDM. We had this debate about RDM being a healer, and everyone was complaining and guess what? RDM, as predicted, released as a DPS. FFXI's Dancer was imo the best solo job in the game. Great dps, TP based healing and buffs. Also, Dancer's use Daggers or Knives as weapons.

Dancers with staves, books or globes or wands? Really? Come on people. Chemist uses items to heal allies. THEY can be considered for a healing position but Dancer? Yeah, not gonna happen and if it does, I would have lost all faith in SE.

Okay, let's break down some of this into managable bits.

"Why is Dancer even in this question?"
Because it has been widely asked for by the playerbase. Because we will likely see a tank and healer in 5.0 in response to the 2 dps in 4.0. Because at this point it is perhaps the single most requested addition to the game, up there with Viera and butt sliders. Because SE tends to go feminine with healer animations and attire and there isn't a more feminine job in the FF universe.

"It's a DPS with some healing ability like RDM." + Other FFXI related stuff
Why would the function of a class in FFXI relate directly to the way it works in FFXIV? From my understanding NIN was a viable tank in XI, it modt certainly is not in XIV. They are separate games. In FFT Dancers had a unique weapon - cloths. That could definitely be seen as a more "healer friendly" fighting style and could easily lend it's self to MP or TP based combat.

You seem incredibly opposed to this but for no reason that holds up under even mild scrutiny- are you okay? You're getting really agitated, acting like SE including Dancer as a healer would be some sort of personal insult to you. I think you should take a step back and relax before you say something you regret or that lands you in hot water.