Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[KuuroYuuki]

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yes i agree,but it still to hyperbole to say extra retainer is P2W because of Sale slot. i mean it just a slot you can use it or not. it will be useless when you run out item you want to sell.

lets do some calculation, there is 100 item for sale a day . you have 5 retainer and oher ppl only have 2 retainer. you can sell it once while other ppl can sell same quantity as you without extra retainer because ppl have more time play this game than you.what i mean is it just matter of time...

[SieyaM]

Also, let's be real about the market board games here. The market board was not designed to be a competitive aspect and SE will never treat it as one because it just isn't. It was designed as a way for people to sell and buy things from each other for convenience, and you making it into some kind of game with winners doesn't mean SE will treat it that way. It is just like saying you play halo for its platforming and not the shooting, so Bungie needs to make sure they are adressing your platforming needs in their shooting game because that what you played it for.

[MilanFrozen]

At this point the statement 'the only way to win is to not play' is most appropriate. It won't do anything to the game, but at least you can sever your own suffering. The worst part about loving something is when it doesn't love you back and I promise you that FFXIV only loves you for your money.

[Bahati]

I have to wonder if any of the naysayers have ever played a game that is truly pay to win? There is no item to hasten the bar on limit breaks so you can blast it off more than anyone else. There is no way to exchange money for gil in the cash shop. There is no extra monthly fee to tack on to allow players endless fantasia options, +50% exp and 30% run speed. There is not even a "premium" mount that is going to get you where you need to be any faster.

Extra retainers just flood the market with more items no one is going to buy and allows more opportunity for undercutting or buy outs. This is already happening, always has, always will and it has nothing to do with extra retainers or this new app.

[Jandor]

I have to wonder if any of the naysayers have ever played a game that is truly pay to win? There is no item to hasten the bar on limit breaks so you can blast it off more than anyone else. There is no way to exchange money for gil in the cash shop. There is no extra monthly fee to tack on to allow players endless fantasia options, +50% exp and 30% run speed. There is not even a "premium" mount that is going to get you where you need to be any faster.

Extra retainers just flood the market with more items no one is going to buy and allows more opportunity for undercutting or buy outs. This is already happening, always has, always will and it has nothing to do with extra retainers or this new app.

That other games are worse doesn't mean this is good.

[illgot]

That other games are worse doesn't mean this is good.

Pay to win originated with Asian (Chinese/Korean) MMOs that actually kept the best skills and equipment in their cash shop. In these MMOs, the only way to obtain powerful gear was to get lucky with a 0.001% drop which would be thousands of hours of straight botting with RNG or spend money in the cash shop for items that were better than what you found in game.

There is nothing about FFXIV that is even remotely p2w.

[Jandor]

Pay to win originated with Asian (Chinese/Korean) MMOs that actually kept the best skills and equipment in their cash shop. In these MMOs, the only way to obtain powerful gear was to get lucky with a 0.001% drop which would be thousands of hours of straight botting with RNG or spend money in the cash shop for items that were better than what you found in game.

Sounds terrible, but just because other games are worse doesn't mean this is good.

[Lilseph]

Sounds terrible, but just because other games are worse doesn't mean this is good.

No one is saying it's good, it's just not P2W.

[Alaray]

It's not Pay to Win.

Regardless of how many thousands of MB slots a player might have, I'll still end up selling my Hannish Wool and Ala Mighan Weaves just fine.

If people want to use real life money to pay for the comfort of more ventures/some more MB slots I don't care. I'm not paying for it because what I have is enough, and I make enough knowing what to sell and when to sell it.

All that happens is a player can move more items on the MB than someone else. It doesn't mean it's inherently faster if their items don't sell or they get undercut into oblivion to begin with. Yes, they make more gil in a shorter span of time due to the slots -- provided items are selling -- but at the same time they aren't technically going to make more than another player could with less slots, just in faster spurts versus needing to space it out a bit more.

It's convenience, at the end of the day. Anything your ventures can get you, you can go get yourself. It's just convenient not to and have an automated system hand it over at intervals. Selling more of what you have is convenient: you get the gil faster and you get the extra inventory space from not having to hold onto it. But you're not going to inherently make more off your ore/item than a player not paying just because you are paying.

At the end of the day: SE is a business, and a MMO requires funding.

It's like saying the person who plays for 12hrs a day should have a timer on their account that locks them out after 4hrs of playtime because you can't compete against the hours someone else has the free time for to gather/grind out materials/items to sell.

[QueenSophie]

I dont understand after 44 pages of talking about retainers as pay to win, not one person has mentioned quick ventures. If you have 9 retainers ( 7 paid for ) and you send them out every hour and play 8 hours a day, thats 72 quick ventures a day. Maybe not pay to win per se, but unlimited gil supply yes. I have made about 800 million in the last 6 months and 75 % of that is because of quick ventures with the max amount of retainers. By the time I had all my crafts at 60, they had already brought me back full sets of 50 and 60 crafting and gathering, not one I had to earn. I get the best housing items in the game, I get everything all the time. Granted you have to keep your seals up in order to send them out but get this : Half the time they bring back MB prohibited gear that can be exchanged for seals, in what my experiences have shown is a 70-80% return rate on GC seals, making them almost self sustainable. Yes this isnt pay to win exactly, but I havent had to work for a single thing in this game other than some gear hear and there because retainers have given me an infinite gil supply.