All Greed on Alliance loot

[Sigma-Astra]

I feel that might be from a bias you have of me, but alleo is right. I was referring to SE's logic. Different argument, different tones etc, I do not hold grudges. I really do not make reference to other bias or threads unless someone is really pushing me to do so.

I don't really have a bias of you because I hardly even know you all that well as a poster, but it seems like every time I open my mouth with an opinion of my own I'm either flaming, insulting, or being rude to you if I respond to it, in your own words, half of the time. So, basically, I feel like anytime you respond to me, I'm going to get slandered somehow without even really trying to upset/offend you intentionally if I even think about typing a response....or just get blasted into oblivion that I don't know what I'm talking about which just makes me less inclined to take people like that seriously. No one likes getting talked down by "no u" fallacies, and that's just a general thing I believe.

I wouldn't call it bias so much as a fear of being bullied by a single poster no matter what I do, and I've barely been on the OF so much until recently this month.

[Tint]

considering how bad it already is to get your weekly loot from the 8 man story raid... and there your item has a 100% drop chance and one fight doesn't take longer than 10 minutes.

a 24 man raid is around 45 minutes and the loot table is huuuuge.

this change is horrible!

i want to mention that the 24 man raid and the relic quest grind were both my favorite things to do in FF14 - thanks to this change and the awesome design of Eureka it seems they have killed both of my favorite content. yaaaaaay

[Linx0r]

Just... why? If people want to get gear on their sub jobs they should run it on that class. Why should everyone suffer because some people don't want to run it on the class they are trying to get loot for? I really don't understand the choices they make sometimes and I hope they don't implement this.

I agree. If they do this, this will make me unsub. Last......straw

[Ariel_Valmont]

When I first read this post I thought it was a response to people suggesting this on the forums...

I didn’t think that the game designers were actually stupid enough to think that Greed only in 24 man content was a good idea...

After checking out the letter from the producers, I am completely dismayed, sometimes it takes all week just to win a need roll on the item you want.

[Ariel_Valmont]

When I first read this post I thought it was a response to people suggesting this on the forums...

I didn’t think that the game designers were actually stupid enough to think that Greed only in 24 man content was a good idea...

After checking out the letter from the producers, I am completely dismayed, sometimes it takes all week just to win a need roll on the item you want.

[Tint]

i still don't have my loot from o1 normal mode, despite the fact that i am grinding this since tuesday and have (nearly) instant invites as a tank... lockout is still in place and not everyone is rolling against me, but it's still hard to win the roll.

i am okay with that in regards to the normal mode raid, especially since with the 100% drop rate you could easily form a party and everyone gets their loot after a few runs... but no way will i run the 24 man raid more than once a week!

[Ixianna]

How much Samurai, Ninja, Monk, and Dragoon gear hits the floor during the 1 drop a week stage of these runs? How many players who could need (under current content drops) have to run 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, or even 20 runs to get the gear they need because the drops aren't reflecting the party composition or even the entire raid composition? I can recall runs of Rabanastre where 4 DRG belts dropped without even a single DRG in the party. How about when 7 PGL/MNK/SAM items all hit the floor as no one in the alliance was playing or gearing those classes?

Perhaps a rethink of the RNG factor vs. party composition could be useful and keep the old Need/Greed system as well? I would rather folks who actually play a class be rewarded for their doing so with drops that can be needed upon and acquired for their use. Lets reward folks for the classes they play, not punish them and give perks to the others who aren't playing the class they want gear for, hmm?

[Ixianna]

If they do implement this, support classes could simply boycott the content and make those other classes wait hours or days to queue.

[BroodingFicus]

If they do implement this, support classes could simply boycott the content and make those other classes wait hours or days to queue.

Kinda my thoughts as well. I think I've got maybe two drops from the current 24 man raid on my WHM. I've seen maybe four total but lost out the other times to the one other healer in the the party. I've also had runs where every piece that dropped was for melee dps and runs where the same piece drops multiple times. Long story short its already hard to get gear from a 24 man raids competing only against the RNG and one other person. Now I not only have to compete with the other healer (guaranteed every run vs tanks or dps at least having the chance to be the only one who can use a drop in the party) but every person who might want to gear their healer without having to actually do the work? Tsk. If you want the gear, do the job.

It would serve them right if tanks and healers just decided they didn't want the responsibility either and let the queue times skyrocket. Or ya know I just stop resurrecting any dps in my party that is screwing up mechanics and making my life hard while also greeding on the gear I need. I don't see this causing anything but irritation and strife. Their reasoning of 'but they had to run it multiple times to gear secondary jobs' doesn't make sense because this sort of system will likely only make that worse. Not only will people on their main role be struggling to gear but the people trying to gear alt jobs will also be rolling the dice against far more people each time the gear they want drops. I don't know. I've always loved the 24 man raids and was looking forward to the next installment but this makes me not want to bother at all.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

This just seems to be a bad idea...
But, of course, people in general don't like change.

If this goes through, I guess we'll just see how well it goes over.

I like the ideas people are throwing out about token systems of some type.

still in shock they do a change for one user base.. isn't that racist?
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No, but possibly biased.