The virtual currency "Moogle Coins" in the FFXIV Companion app must be removed

[Corue]

Can somebody give me a quick rundown of what these moogle coins are?

To access the marketboard from the app you need to use kupo nuts. You get one or two a day depending on your subscription type. If you buy moogle coins you can circumvent this and exchange them for kupo nuts. The devs have stated that more uses of moogle coins will be coming in the future.

[Mahrze]

Can somebody give me a quick rundown of what these moogle coins are?

Currently known features: They are tokens that let you buy items on the MB from the app, just like Kupo nuts. Also let you do the whole put items for sale via the app and price revisions.

[Vstarstruck]

To access the marketboard from the app you need to use kupo nuts. You get one or two a day depending on your subscription type. If you buy moogle coins you can circumvent this and exchange them for kupo nuts. The devs have stated that more uses of moogle coins will be coming in the future.

no -.-
kupo nuts, the item that is granted you for log in is ONLY FOR BUYING stuff from the mb
coins are gained from IRL money only that lets you BUY from the MB and LIST/sell items on the MB

i/e listing stuff on the MB can only be done with IRL money, at least that is how it is presented to us. I am hoping there is a mistake in translation or they change this but that is what they told us so far.

[AutumnsHollow]

This app gives an unfair advantage if you're a crafter. As an end game crafter my content is making items and selling them on the market board. I have responsibilities as an adult so I'm not able to play outside of a few hours a day and when I can I play the undercut war game to push my products to make more Gil to fund myself for the next update where I'll have to pentameld to stay relevant again.

If someone has this app they clearly have an advantage in the sense they can update their listing if they buy moogle coins. So they will be able to sell their products faster. I can't compete with someone who can update their listings non-stop and I only can while online.

That's a clear advantage no matter how you look at it. But if you choose to acknowledge it or not is on you. Crafting isn't something everyone does but for the people who enjoy it like myself and find it important gameplay wise I sincerely dislike everything about this app.

The label of pay to win or pay for advantage that some tend to obessess over is silly. It doesn't matter what we call it. The point is it gives crafter's an advantage over other crafters. And gives us extra inventory when we've been spoon fed every excuse in the book as to why they can't do that.

[Theodric]

As an aside, many of us aren't just concerned about the future of this game due to FFXIV alone. The way in which FFXV and Dissidia NT have been handled has also rubbed us the wrong way and given us ample cause for concern.

[Remedi]

This app gives an unfair advantage if you're a crafter. As an end game crafter my content is making items and selling them on the market board. I have responsibilities as an adult so I'm not able to play outside of a few hours a day and when I can I play the undercut war game to push my products to make more Gil to fund myself for the next update where I'll have to pentameld to stay relevant again.

If someone has this app they clearly have an advantage in the sense they can update their listing if they buy moogle coins. So they will be able to sell their products faster. I can't compete with someone who can update their listings non-stop and I only can while online.

That's a clear advantage no matter how you look at it. But if you choose to acknowledge it or not is on you. Crafting isn't something everyone does but for the people who enjoy it like myself and find it important gameplay wise I sincerely dislike everything about this app.

The label of pay to win or pay for advantage that some tend to obessess over is silly. It doesn't matter what we call it. The point is it gives crafter's an advantage over other crafters. And gives us extra inventory when we've been spoon fed every excuse in the book as to why they can't do that.

I would say that it allows you to compete with those that can stay at home 100% but it doesn't give you an edge over them, actually you pay for not even beign at their level since they pretty much have infinite moves while you are limited by your wallet.

Those that have free time will always be the winners in the end, that's why I don't agree that it's a straight up pay to win and frankly as I said the fact that you pay and still come short + the fact that you pay to be able to pay is why this app is worse than actually ppl think it is
Because let's be realistic in a p2w model you get something with this app you pay and maybe you are competitive isn't that worse?

edit: also calendar and chat? they are avaiable already to us in other ways.

inventory and armory management offline? why would I even need that?

Honestly where's the value proposition? Why are discussing too much about the potentiality of it beign a f2p while not discussing about the fact that the product for us offers literally nothing, because the free model is already avaible to us and frankly even the paying option is pretty MEH outside of double sized saddlebag

[NanaWiloh]

This app gives an unfair advantage if you're a crafter. As an end game crafter my content is making items and selling them on the market board. I have responsibilities as an adult so I'm not able to play outside of a few hours a day and when I can I play the undercut war game to push my products to make more Gil to fund myself for the next update where I'll have to pentameld to stay relevant again.

If someone has this app they clearly have an advantage in the sense they can update their listing if they buy moogle coins. So they will be able to sell their products faster. I can't compete with someone who can update their listings non-stop and I only can while online.

That's a clear advantage no matter how you look at it. But if you choose to acknowledge it or not is on you. Crafting isn't something everyone does but for the people who enjoy it like myself and find it important gameplay wise I sincerely dislike everything about this app.

The label of pay to win or pay for advantage that some tend to obessess over is silly. It doesn't matter what we call it. The point is it gives crafter's an advantage over other crafters. And gives us extra inventory when we've been spoon fed every excuse in the book as to why they can't do that.

You are already at a disadvantage as there are players who can invest more time then you can into this game. Someone with more time then you will have a bigger advantage then anyone using the app, the app is just attempt level the playing field for those who can't invest as much time.

[AutumnsHollow]

You are already at a disadvantage as there are players who can invest more time then you can into this game. Someone with more time then you will have a bigger advantage then anyone using the app, the app is just attempt level the playing field for those who can\\'t invest as much time.

I disagree personally. Everyone is on the same playing field atm and if someone invests more time than I do, they deserve the fruits of their efforts.

Putting aside moral/ethics about the app for a moment, I have a job and I can afford the subscription for the app easily. But not every player is as financially secure as I am. So the playing field becomes less about time/effort put into the game and more about who has deeper pockets and can afford to have two subscriptions running at once and afford kupo coins (at whatever price they decide to put them at) while also creating stock to sell while playing.

It doesn't fix the playing field it actually just adds more variables and gives people who are financially secure a shortcut to match people who have more time to play the game. But that's two extremes and doesn't account for the middle ground. Not every player is financially secure or have loads of time to play the game.

[NanaWiloh]

I disagree personally. Everyone is on the same playing field atm and if someone invests more time than I do, they deserve the fruits of their efforts.

Putting aside moral/ethics about the app for a moment, I have a job and I can afford the subscription for the app easily. But not every player is as financially secure as I am. So the playing field becomes less about time/effort put into the game and more about who has deeper pockets and can afford to have two subscriptions running at once and afford kupo coins (at whatever price they decide to put them at) while also creating stock to sell while playing.

It doesn't fix the playing field it actually just adds more variables and gives people who are financially secure a shortcut to match people who have more time to play the game. But that's two extremes and doesn't account for the middle ground. Not every player is financially secure or have loads of time to play the game.

If you have lots of money or lots of time you have advantage, you can't call more money advantage and not call more time advantage as well. Neither of these to concepts is fair you either have lots of one, both or none. You just accept that you can't compete or keep up with others and be happy with what you got. I don't need the app or care about it as time is a greater boon then the app will ever be, the sooner people understand that the happier they will be.

[illgot]

For all we know you gain access to these coins in game. Even if someone wants to buy these for real cash... it's not too going to have a huge impact in the marketboard.

People are so stupidly quick to undercut each other and repost sales that paying moogle coins to relist an item will only be efficient if you are dealing with a very expensive and rare item.