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  1. #131
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    Remedi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remyogic View Post
    The game has ~600k active characters .
    Tbf I'm pretty sure we went a little below that with the latest unofficial census
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline View Post
    • Materia
    Oh god do not get me started on Materia. God awful mechanic. They could have made it something fun, but no. Enjoy blowing all your money into smithereens. Again. Again. Again. Do it again. This time for sure. Nope, maybe somewhere in the next 100.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    75 days is roughly 2 and a half months. That means a player can subscribe for one month, stop for two months and never be in risk of losing their house if they decide to resubscribe when the next patch comes out. Keeping it at 45 days, but extending the reclaim time to 6 months is a morefair option. Someone without a house doesn't have to wait until the next patch comes out to get a house of their own (and after waiting... two weeks? and this is assuming SE release new wards again) and the person who took an extended break can still reclaim mostly everything from their home (80% of the gil spent and some/most/all furnishings) and decide if they want to buy a personal house again.

    The reason why housing has a time limit (ever since 3.1) is because housing is extremely limited (4320 per server, right?). I'm not familiar with GW2 housing, so I'll ask you this: is it unlimited and is it all instanced (two things that make it different from FXIV's)? Does the same apply to Wild Star (I think you start off alone with your home, but then can make a neighbourhood with other players)?

    FFXI was... it really depended on if you had friends to play with. If you did, then you had stuff to do. If not, then you probably would only be on for a short time before unsubscribing out of boredom or some other reason (even if there was content to do).
    So you are admitting the game is so bad, we need short relinquish timer on housing? So you are basically admitting the malicious intent in the short timer? You clearly do not know what fair means. You would only had a point if content lasted, if SE can retain average attention, not play 1 -2 weeks, now everything is stale so time unsub for next reskin version. Yoshi-p even commented on the treadmill and knows he can't be doing the same things each expansion and is on the "second expansion" and needs to do something different. in 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, only difference was diadem, and deep, rest of it is generally the same, running 2 or 3 dungeons for 450 tome cap.. etc... You really did not expect me to rip appart the self defeating logic here? basically admitting the game is so bad you need to shackle housing to keep people subbed?

    So I ask again, what is the real issue with making it 75-90 days? it should be a month to 1 month and 15 days longer then it is now, lets be fair please. Not the player's fault SE is unable to fix a problem.

    FFXI had different things to while having different ways of doing then. FFXIV has not changed much while WoW and ffxi changed lots. Like how SE flip a switch to make 2 handed axe war useless to useful overnight. Fixing SCH from being borderline useless to borderline Op in one update. Here it is "we need to tip toe because we cannot make something op" (nerfs SMN because "too op" while nerfing SCH to the ground (thought this was an obvious reference to 4.0 but clearly not) FFXI Salvage? assault VNM? etc? cap BCNM? you had to learn how to adjust and such. Here in ffxiv it is the same thing over and over while pretending glorified fate train running is "new"

    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Complaint 4)

    Ok, so you stopped crafting/gathering all together cause your inventory filled up and you decided not to get rid of older mats? Really? And then you dont like doing the relic stuff cause "Oh, new stuff will come out before i finish the old so why bother?"

    More and more, it seems like you want easy mode rather than being pragmatic and making decisions about the game. Inventory full? Sell some of it, Vendor it, Dump it and then continue doing the stuff. New content coming? Keep going with what you have (they dont out date it immediately). Beast tribes are kinda a pain to do? Theyre time gaited? Yeah, they do that so you will do them daily. THats part of the game. Sorry if that sucks for you, but if youre going to play, expect to invest time into it a bit. Doing beast tribe dailies doesnt take hours (well after ARR). As I mentioned, it sounds like you want easy mode. You want all the perks of people who dedicate an ok amount of time, wihtout any actual dedication.
    You just do not understand what it is like to be a decatated crafter, and no being an "omnicrafter" or crafting here and there is not what I mean. When all you do is craft, the inventory is not enough, because how much different items stuff requires, purely a game flaw.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 04-21-2018 at 01:33 PM.

  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
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    If you're not playing the game for 2-3 months, then you really don't need a (personal) house. SE have handled housing poorly, this is completely true, but you also can't forget about the players who have taken advantage of SE's lack of hindsight and finding loopholes. There are those who own entire wards, either with personal housing (before it was limited), or with FC Workshops. If any of those players stopped playing for 45 days, then entire wards will open up. Giving those players more freedom to take a 2-3 month break means those wards will always belong to them. Again, SE is to fault for their lack of hindsight, but you can't give players a free pass either.

    And most of those things in FFXI (may) require you to be in a group of friends/raiders (Trusts are... okay), to which I say again: if you're doing stuff alone, you're most likely not going to stay for long. Especially if you're waaaaaaaaaaaaay behind in Job Points. I'm looking at the nerfs SMN was given in 4.2 and none of those affect SCH whatsoever. SCH has so far only received buffs. SE makes these nerf/buff decisions so that all Jobs will feel welcome in Savage/Extreme content.
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  5. #135
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    IS there such a thing as an effective casual?
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  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Giving those players more freedom to take a 2-3 month break means those wards will always belong to them.
    Those wards are always going to belong to them anyway, because they're not going to unsub because that would mean losing their wards. The only thing that has been accomplished here is that they can't take a break in their sub, so SE has secured their money.

    This is of no benefit to other players.
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    Last edited by MomomiMomi; 04-21-2018 at 02:17 PM.

  7. #137
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    The unchanging state of the game and the general lack of enjoyable content are the reason I pretty much raid log now, depending on what I do later in the year, this might be the first time I unsub from the game.

    I love this game to death, but I find myself just not having much fun outside of raiding with my static (and occasional silly RP for a laugh) might be a case of burnout, but I am certainly finding it harder to justify staying subbed.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    There are those who own entire wards, either with personal housing (before it was limited), or with FC Workshops. If any of those players stopped playing for 45 days, then entire wards will open up. Giving those players more freedom to take a 2-3 month break means those wards will always belong to them. Again, SE is to fault for their lack of hindsight, but you can't give players a free pass either.
    implying 45 or 90 days makes a difference the grand scheme of things

    You are only saying that because you blindly accept that from SE, if they released it with it being 90 days, I guarantee you, you would not be fighting for a shorter time for the auto demo.

    First off the people that did that before things got limited did so because of hard work that is fine. Second off the reason there was a shortage later on is because the gil sinks in this game are bad. There is way too much gil gain compared to gil sinks, so now it is "Oh I get a house because nothing else to do with it" Why did SE even bother to lower the costs of housing in the first place? They should kept the prices what they where when released if they where so limited in how many they can give out.

    For the second wave however, the ones that did it with the extra shiro housing should be banned. It is no different then the limit break "exploit" and "loopholes" It was quite clear SE wanted give more people a chance to get housing, not have some world first FC buy up a ward.

    Sorry people have a right to keep their hard work, not the player fault SE can't release content that lasts long enough, along with not their fault SE can't give enough housing. Should not be punishing the players for your shortcomings, what is why it needs to be longer, 75- 90 days is fine, still prevents forever quitters from keeping a house, while at the same time covering enough time in case something happens in RL too.

    If you want to argue that it should not be more then 45 days you need to try again, not giving weak blind fanboy arguments.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 04-22-2018 at 02:25 AM.

  9. #139
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    bump.

    I want this to stay on the first page.
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  10. #140
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    Kan Himaa
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    Hmm...

    Reason 1, the formula in the game never changes.
    - Yeah, the three month armor redundancy thing is also why materia is basically useless. They had to make it recyclable and even then, the user has to pull the materia out, see if any got lost in the transition, and then replace the ones that broke. That and the armor sets need more work to account for anatomy of the Miqote and Au-Ra races, as they've had too many pieces with cloaks or other oddities causing clipping on appendages such as the horns and tail.

    Reason 2, I can’t be an effective casual.
    - This is the main story gating issue along with the frankly unwieldly queue times for dps. The only reason I main a tank job is because of the damn roulette queues.

    Reason 3, other contents other than the mainstream contents has low population of players.
    - Yeah, this is that same issue that is messing up the market boards on some older crafted gear and such. There's also the issue of the FCs basically turning into a shattered husk of what they once were because of the housing system and player migration incentives. Seriously, going through some of the housing districts is like looking at a museum sometimes.
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