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  1. 04-21-2018 12:56 AM #1
    Rinuko
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    I kinda want to hear what OP refer to in game consequence for using the app.
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  2. 04-21-2018 12:59 AM #2
    Deceptus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    I kinda want to hear what OP refer to in game consequence for using the app.
    Since you won't let this go.

    Basic economics. Any time any seller has a competitive advantage in a market they come out ahead. The premium app gives the option to hire an extra retainer.

    Therefore,

    All things other being equal, those willing to spend more real money in a game get more game based income. If you're willing to spend the money on 8 extra retainers, you have 160 more marketboard slots than someone who isn't willing to do that. The definition of pay to win. But that also goes to retainers in general and I have an issue with that as well.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]
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  3. 04-21-2018 01:06 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Since you won't let this go.

    Basic economics. Any time any seller has a competitive advantage in a market they come out ahead. The premium app gives the option to hire an extra retainer.

    Therefore,

    All things other being equal, those willing to spend more real money in a game get more game based income. The definition of pay to win. But that also goes to retainers in general and I have an issue with that as well.
    I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.
    Retainer market board is secondary and often cost me much more time and effort to list items.
    As you already made your mind, I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.
    Enough said, no need to beat on a dead horse since OP already made his mind, any further argument is pointless.
    Just wish him farwell.
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  4. 04-21-2018 01:09 AM #4
    Deceptus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.
    Same to you. May all your rolls be good ones.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]
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