The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[Airget]

If the Premium Sub offers something like +5% att in Duty Finder content, then fine complain, but it's not.

Pay2Win is the concept that without doing anything in-game you can buy your way to the best gear or gear that can't be obtained by other means.

Basically if I'm Freeplay Johnny and I play 2-5hrs a day and work hard to get that best gear that took me a month to get and then PayWinner Alex comes along and gives 50 dollars to get gear that is way better than mine, that's pay2win.

Freeplay Johnny has the best sword he can get in the game, it does +100 ATT and gives him +5 accuracy and that's it. Meanwhile, PayWinner Alex has a sword that granted him 120 ATT, +50% ACC+ and when he deals dmg with the sword it restores his HP. That's what pay2win means, it's unfair advantages that make the PVE/PVP mechanics of the game easier for the other player that pays more.

The "advantages" that the premium app offers are ease of access, having the prem app doesn't increase the odds of getting a minion through retainer by 50%, it doesn't automatically reduce the timer on all retainer mission by 50%, it just allows you to access said content through the phone without needing to log in. The coins are a way to limit the use of the app and honestly for those who think being able to change the price of an item you sell through the app at the cost of a coin is an advantage. . . it's not. Appy Jones paid a coin to change the price of his item to the lowest in hopes of it selling but since Online Jim is on he can just change it as much as he pleases.

When it comes to the logic of using said app to change the sell price of an item, I doubt you will see a lot of people using the app to undercut just to make gil. You will mainly see people using this app when they are looking for an item they want to buy, that minion that is rarely on sale but they see it during their lunch break, they can now grab it without worrying if it will be sold by the time they get home.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I don't blame people for unsubbing or for staying, everybody has something different that motivates them or not, that's fine. What I have a problem with is the fact that there are so many threads about this that nobody can actually keep them straight/tell them apart. We cry that we want more communication, but we continue to just scream our thoughts on new threads so many times that honestly, if I was modding this, I'd be disinclined to answer or get an answer from the devs, too. After all, where should you put it? When there are 35+ threads all about the exact same thing, if you answer one, you either have to answer them all, or you'll know nobody will see it.

By this point, it isn't even "we need to show them", it's "I want people to actually read MY thoughts, so I'll put them out by themselves so they're not drowned in the thread". Which also means anybody trying to show the devs actual talking points will either have to show them 35+ threads... or just give it up as a lost cause.

Guess which one they'll probably go with?

[AkashiXI]

I think it’s important to create multiple threads like this, expressing our concern. I don’t play Destiny 2, but there was a time where they rolled out an update that the majority of the playerbase didn’t like, and their sub Reddit was FLOODED with threads expressing their distaste towards it.

I get that people want the forums to be less cluttered, or maybe they think that if you put everything in one thread will grab the developer’s attention. However, I feel public outcries like this is important. If you don’t like these types of threads, then ignore them and move on. If you disagree with them, then tell the OP why.

[Squintina]

I really don't get why people feel the need to mention these are optional services.

There's only 1 thing that's not optional in this game and that's whatever prerequisite is forced upon you in order to play the optional content you want to play.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I really don't get why people feel the need to mention these are optional services.

To be fair, this is a incredibly bold stepping stone. I mean, at one point DLC was optional too remember? Now it's common practice, and in some cases there have been incredibly egregious line crossings to test the waters to see what they can get away with.

The cash shop lately was already toeing the line for me. It was fine being what it was, but it's shifted. They've clearly added more and more to it, and as a result we see more resources going into that rather than in the game. This app is an example.

What's next? Where do we draw the line? This app will do literally nothing to my playstyle, but if it's a hit, you can 100% expect it to evolve or expand, and one day it may evolve into something you don't want...

[ManuelBravo]

I really don't get why people feel the need to mention these are optional services.

There's only 1 thing that's not optional in this game and that's whatever prerequisite is forced upon you in order to play the optional content you want to play.

Well the reason we mention the word OPTIONAL is do to these post that can't tell the difference between a type of service that it is not needed to complete (main story line ) or interferes with playing the game in general. It is nicest word I can find and use to explain something that common sense should cover yet many fail to understand.

Your right it's up to us to decide, yet many feel it's unfair regardless....common sense is a dying trait after all.

[Deceptus]

To be fair, this is a incredibly bold stepping stone. I mean, at one point DLC was optional too remember? Now it's common practice, and in some cases there have been incredibly egregious line crossings to test the waters to see what they can get away with.

The cash shop lately was already toeing the line for me. It was fine being what it was, but it's shifted. They've clearly added more and more to it, and as a result we see more resources going into that rather than in the game. This app is an example.

What's next? Where do we draw the line? This app will do literally nothing to my playstyle, but if it's a hit, you can 100% expect it to evolve or expand, and one day it may evolve into something you don't want...

This is 100% one of my concerns.

Like I laid out with the Cash Shop, it started out small. Now basic things I think should have been in game rewards are in there.

The Mega Flare emote? Should have been linked with the achieve for Ultimate Bahamut. But no, SE wants $12 for an EMOTE. SE values roughly a months worth of game time for an emote.

[miraidensetsu]

So much crying over an optional service, while there are thousands bots over there hurting the game more than any paid feature and the community is not angry because S-E just banned 12 (that can't clean even a single pvp match).

[ManuelBravo]

To be fair, this is a incredibly bold stepping stone. I mean, at one point DLC was optional too remember? Now it's common practice, and in some cases there have been incredibly egregious line crossings to test the waters to see what they can get away with. The cash shop lately was already toeing the line for me. It was fine being what it was, but it's shifted. They've clearly added more and more to it, and as a result we see more resources going into that rather than in the game. This app is an example.

What's next? Where do we draw the line? This app will do literally nothing to my playstyle, but if it's a hit, you can 100% expect it to evolve or expand, and one day it may evolve into something you don't want...

True, however people are already judging it and it still has not been released. Most players will probably be hypocrites and get it anyways once they think it's actually valuable when others talk about it trough experience. Now this app in a way is SE response to apply f feed back for alternate ways to manage your retainers, give a chance for extra storage room, and even add an extra retainer slots. Seriously people complain about these things yet forget that these were suggestions that the community asked for. ( demand ) SE responded in a way as a resource and took advantage of the demand and simple availability trough apps. (supply) Which covers the simple rules of a successful business. I for one wanted access to my retainers in such a way since the allowed extra retainers. It took a few years and loved it. Now if they could make it so that I can craft while I'm at work on that app I would really be happy.

[Deceptus]

True, however people are already judging it and it still has not been released.

This is SE we're talking about here. They RARELY go back on anything they've put preliminary notes out on. They've spent time and resources on this app, it's getting released as shown. Unless enough people rise up and say something, which is what I've attempted to do.

So, logically, we can make decent assumptions based on the information we have and the track record SE has shown.

So much crying over an optional service, while there are thousands bots over there hurting the game more than any paid feature and the community is not angry because S-E just banned 12 (that can't clean even a single pvp match).

They're reluctant, IMHO, to ban bots because ultimately bots pay subscription fees. Banning them actively hurts the bottom line.