“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[Wilford111]

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I disagree that it's not an exaggeration. You are absolutely exaggerating. I thought your main complaint about this app was its supposed p2w advantages. Now it's UI features? Way to stick to your guns.

Can we just agree that it's scummy, we won't pay for it, and have that be that?

[Vstarstruck]

I disagree that it's not an exaggeration. You are absolutely exaggerating. I thought your main complaint about this app was its supposed p2w advantages. Now it's UI features? Way to stick to your guns.

Can we just agree that it's scummy, we won't pay for it, and have that be that?

its both... this was specifically for blocking basic UI features though. (and how that is running in parallel with what EA did) Though... reading helps I guess? It is even bolded in the first post. It is not an exaggeration, you just do not want to see what it truly is. It is to point out the parallel of defending over charge (mog station items) because "non-essential" and some evne tried to pull this for the app. I should not be paying 20 dollars a month, over 15 dollars a month, just because of a missing basic UI feature that is not there due to poor 1.0 coding. So they want to charge us more because of their poor coding? is there any truth to this? What is the real reason they have to charge more money for a basic UI feature we should of had since 2.0?

There have even been numerous accusations that EA and its ilk deliberately hold back game content with the sole intent of charging a fee for it at a later date. It’s one thing to support a game with new content that is worth the price. It’s another to put out an inferior — and occasionally broken — product with the mindset of “ah, we’ll fix it later and make some money for doing so.”

I do not want to pay extra for things that should come with the base game/ (and in this case, base sub as well. Even offline games should not be doing this), that is the main point. That is exactly part of the reason why it is scummy.

Also I commented on before about paywalling basic UI features that this app is doing in other threads, SE does not reply to it, people are not commenting on that concpt, so i felt this thread is justified in showing SE why this is not acceptable.

About this idea of "waiting" why? Why should we accept a company is even think of doing this? It is greed, it is unfair, it is not getting the value for our money, it is cash grabby, they shouldn't be doing this to begin with but they try push it anyway. There should be some kind of standard of morality when doing business, not getting blood from a turnup. Sure a business is a business to make money, but not there to literally nickle and dime people to death.

When I do business with anything else we work out deals, and how both parties benefit. We give a set amount of money for a set amount of entertainment. When too much is being charged, it is only logical you speak up, only these methods of overcharging it is trying to making it appear they are not. You really can't do proper business with one side commutation can you?

I will like to add housing to the "fix it later concept, but charge people while doing so":

You missed the main point: Yoshida saying "you should take a break" goes completely counter to them having added house reclamation (which was added before he made that statement), which doesn't let you take a break. So him saying "you should take a break" is complete BS.

Allow me to give you a personal example. I had to sub just so I could reclaim my stuff. I had no desire to play the game again yet. There was still no new content, I had done all the current stuff. I won't give you the entire list of things I had to resub to reclaim, but here's the short of it:

80 million gil from my mansion (bought before house reclamation was introduced, during a time when it was promised it would never be a thing), and 5 Eastern Cherry Trees, currently valued on my server as a total of 100 million gil, or going by its real world value based on the Mog Station, $25.

This is not even close to everything I would have lost, of course.


I will concede, I would not be so against house reclamation in its current state if they kept your gil and items for you indefinitely, or at least for a very long time.

How long as housing been around? How long ago did yoshi p say "we will not do that" when it came to auto demo, but they still have to do this bandaid fix? When are they going to fix things and stop overcharging us for their shortcomings?

[Talraen]

I should not be paying 20 dollars a month, over 15 dollars a month...

It is worth pointing out that FFXI's launch subscription fee of $12.95 is worth about $19 in today's money (adjusted for inflation). Across the board, video games have not gone up in price in real dollars for a very long time, and that applies to subscriptions as well. In realistic terms, the sub fee is lower than it ever was, and the premium fee is on par with historical MMO sub fees (well, unless you really like retainers). The fact that we kick and scream at every attempt for them to make as much real money as they used to doesn't really help anyone.

It's a good time to be a gamer. You can play stuff super cheap if you want, and let fools like me subsidize your purchases by buying all the extra crap.

[Rinuko]

It is worth pointing out that FFXI's launch subscription fee of $12.95 is worth about $19 in today's money (adjusted for inflation). Across the board, video games have not gone up in price in real dollars for a very long time, and that applies to subscriptions as well. In realistic terms, the sub fee is lower than it ever was, and the premium fee is on par with historical MMO sub fees (well, unless you really like retainers). The fact that we kick and scream at every attempt for them to make as much real money as they used to doesn't really help anyone.

It's a good time to be a gamer. You can play stuff super cheap if you want, and let fools like me subsidize your purchases by buying all the extra crap.

It should be mentioned those 12,99 USD was for 1 character and then 1 USD for an extra character. Any crafter knows mules was a must back in the day. Way before we had any sacks, satchels and increased inventories.

[ManuelBravo]

It should be mentioned those 12,99 USD was for 1 character and then 1 USD for an extra character. Any crafter knows mules was a must back in the day. Way before we had any sacks, satchels and increased inventories.

Hmmm I just duo Box was not worth having mules too much of a hassle. It was a nice cheap way to get more space just not as effective as actually having a back up healer at all times :P...

[Rinuko]

Hmmm I just duo Box was not worth having mules too much of a hassle. It was a nice cheap way to get more space just not as effective as actually having a back up healer at all times :P...

! Then you used 3rd party applications!

[ManuelBravo]

! Then you used 3rd party applications!

No Dual PC, two subscriptions. It's not hard when you master the art of "Tired of depending in incompetent healers so it's better to do it my self when I solo." Was doing Dynamis by myself so yeah relics will mess you up if you work on them too much. Curse my gaming addiction -.-; it keeps me away from drugs, and loyal to my GF.and then Trust came into play...Thank you SE for competent AI.