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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Does one crafter has more materia and decide to sell them by pack of 5 at a discount while the other decide to sell them one by one at full price ?
    P2W discussions always just function if you have two people that have the exact same basics. So they have both the same time to craft stuff, the same material and the same amount. Now as soon as the amount is over the limit of the two retainer the other will have the advantage with their paid one. You need to use two similiar people otherwise ypou cant really argue about a "win".

    I mean you can have a booster and person A buys it. If person A barely does any DPS than that one would still lose against person B that still is better without it. But if both of them are the same then A has suddenly quite the advantage over B thanks to paid money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Okamimaru View Post
    Tell me what advantage having even the maximum amount of gil possible in this game will give you over another player? Cuz I'm honestly not seeing it... or max inventory? What can you buy that I can't earn or gather or craft?
    P2W is not always just about something that gives others no chance. Its about making it easier. For example someone that has more Gil thanks to more retainers will get stuff way faster in the same amount of time that someone with only two retainers has. Saving time is the win in that example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Sure, who needs evidence to back up their claim...

    Yeah, so ? What competitive advantage it gives to you ? Does you having a minion prevent me from having it, and even sooner if I'm luckier than you ?
    Does it prevent me from crafting or earning enough gils to buy the best stuff on market boards so that I can clear content ?
    Does it make you more skilled than players that might have less gils than you but still clear sooner ?
    Does it allow you to buy the house you want before others if you can't log on at the initial rush ?

    Earning gils is not a goal, and no goal requires that much retainers.
    P2W never completely hinders the other one to finish the content. If you sell a booster or gear with certain stats would probably count as P2W for most. Yet nobody necessary wins anything with that too. People could still clear the content. If you argue it like that nothing is ever truly P2W. Because it never stops someone from doing content without it. It just gives them an advantage.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 04-18-2018 at 05:50 AM. Reason: all the grammar mistakes..
    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.