Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[AlphaSonic]

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2 omnicrafters. 1st only has 2 retainers. 2nd has 6 retainers.

Patch day. They craft stuff for money. 1st crafter only has 30 slots for selling stuff. 2nd crafter has 90 slots for selling stuff.
Remember that while the first crafter has more limited slots for selling stuff the second crafter can sell Materia, materials and other stuff that the first one can't because of the limited slots for selling stuff.

Who is going to make more money?

Just because nobody cared about retainers doesn't mean they don't give an advantage to make money. Extra retainers Can be used for pay to win. You just need to be a little smart and know the marketboard.

[Avatre]

Who is going to make more money?

As I stated, the one who the buyers decide priced their wares appropriately. You are 100% reliant on the person buying the stuff to decide it is worth the cost. Yes, the person with more retainers has a higher chance or selling their stuff - this I am not denying, but that is still only chance, not guarantee.

[AlphaSonic]

As I stated, the one who the buyers decide priced their wares appropriately. You are 100% reliant on the person buying the stuff to decide it is worth the cost. Yes, the person with more retainers has a higher chance or selling their stuff - this I am not denying, but that is still only chance, not guarantee.

Did you notice you've just described lootboxes?

[Remedi]

with the execption that lootboxes are designed to stimulate a good feeling in the buyers so that they are enticed in paying again.

The problem of lootboxes is in their predatory and addicting effect on ppl, which is essentially gambling.

With the market it's very different, while this app premium thing and retainers are idd insulting I still ask ppl to be objective and not to stretch things.

I'm a bit surprised that no1 has actually tackled the elephant in the room which is more retainers = more gil capacity btw.

[Reynhart]

Who is going to make more money?

Does one crafter has more materia and decide to sell them by pack of 5 at a discount while the other decide to sell them one by one at full price ?
Is the crafted item more efficient than selling materia or materials ?
Does one crafter has signifcantly more free time to craft items on the fly to refill the stock of its retainers ?
Does they already have enough gil to buy any item they want to stay competitive andeah own a house, so that the surplus of gils is irrelevant anyway ?

[akaneakki]

Just because nobody cared about retainers doesn't mean they don't give an advantage to make money. Extra retainers Can be used for pay to win. You just need to be a little smart and know the marketboard.

I have less retainers than most, yet I made more money with those who had more on patch day. Often omni crafters are alredy occupied when patch is out, since people know they can get things done quick. I did the very same thing. Just because you have more space, doesn't mean you make more money. You also need to remember someone undercuts you, also gives you less chanc to sell, so again, not always the case you speak of.

[Mahrze]

I'm a bit surprised that no1 has actually tackled the elephant in the room which is more retainers = more gil capacity btw.

because vendor space, extra storage and additional gil reserves are trivial and spending real money to expand from the basics is an non issue

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[Avatre]

Did you notice you've just described lootboxes?

Did you also realize I essentially described how the loot rules work in a party? The person on the class the gear is for has a higher chance than others who are not in getting that gear simply because they can need on it rather than greed.

Do you see how the correlation you made to lootboxes and buying runs, and my saying the loot rules have no bearing on the discussion at hand?

[QueenSophie]

I pay for 9 retainers and to all of those who say it isn't pay to win, you're wrong and here is why : oh wait I am not going to say why because I have made a fortune off of it. But trust me, it some aspects, you are getting a huuuuuuuuuuuge advantage.

[Neophyte]

because vendor space, extra storage and additional gil reserves are trivial and spending real money to expand from the basics is an non issue

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So nothing you can't get by paying for a 2nd sub or uskng a PsVita to remote-play. Something people do for years by now, if they want to pay for it.

I now several people who can log in on PS4 and PC at the same time and utilize 2 chars crafting and both to sell stuff for ages now and I don't see why this is tolerated for years by everyone here.