JP Only

[DNO]

It's not about being able to speak/write Japanese or not for the JP ONRY, it's because of some of the bad manners NA players have imo.

I've seen NA players in FFXI who just leave PT right after they level since they don't care about rest of the PT, people go way too much AFK as for if JP party they will tell you ahead of time they may go AFK a lot since blah blah... there are a lot more examples I can bring in but I don't want to start anything... I already talked about this one in another post with more details and response I got on that thread wasn't that good either so I'll keep quiet...

This is one reason they are considering language specific servers for these type of players, most of the time it has nothing to do with being able to communicate, it's more about manners.

Not saying it's a bad thing but it's how different economy plays differently, NA players think it's OK to do what they do while JP's don't and while JP's put JP ONRY, NA players really hate seeing that.

Hey my linkshell in FFXI had both JP and NA players and we were doing well overall, so if you find the right players you should be fine. For those saying JP ONRY just ignore them and move on.

So its not about this fictonal language barrier its about how NA players play.I could have guessed that but im glad you said it or i would have gotten slammed. Its true i get pissed at those NA players aswell BUT i still invite other NA. I do not discount THE WHOLE NA playerbase.

As i said all along if they do not care to play with us then lets get people who will. I never said all of them are like that but a lot are. (FF11 a lot more then ff14 tho i will admitt that)

Edit:
Rein i must ask. Just because some NA players Leave when they lvl or are stupid ... do you think it is right for them to say JP only? i mean not all NA players do that. Its not right it wrong to dismiss a full NA playerbase. and im sorry if i have a problem with that. What do you think?

[DNO]

Excuse you. I quoted the entire block of text. The real point is yes it happens, but more often than not, it doesn't mean no English speakers allowed.

/beating on dead horse

Then focus on the right point.

Your excused.

[Spellbinder]

I could have pointed at NA manners a long time ago, but as you said this was supposed to be a discussion about language. But anyway, I still get the feeling that you're making assumptions about the Japanese community as a whole. Yes, there are a lot of Japanese players (I'd assume mostly from FFXI) that have a bad taste in their mouths from experiences in FFXI. There are others who simply are scared to try and speak English. And then there are those that don't mind and would like to party with English speaking players.

You just admitted yourself, not all of them are like that.

Edit for an Edit:

Rein i must ask. Just because some NA players Leave when they lvl or are stupid ... do you think it is right for them to say JP only? i mean not all NA players do that. Its not right it wrong to dismiss a full NA playerbase. and im sorry if i have a problem with that. What do you think?

I think you're trying to hard to pinpoint a specific reason for why they say "JP Only" and also being a bit narrow minded on the Japanese perception of the meaning of "JP Only" as we recently had someone attest to what one possible interpretation is.

[DNO]

You already have the choice of you to play with. Complaints such as this about "oh, some of them don't want to play with me because they can't speak English" have forced SE's hand into considering the separation of regions. Again, I don't see why you need to separate the regions to create an English speaking community, when the English speaking community you want already exists.

Right but if they do the server change all the English speakers will go to the english server and the community will be much bigger. and all of those people unless they are blacklisted will want to party with everyone on the server.

[DNO]

I could have pointed at NA manners a long time ago, but as you said this was supposed to be a discussion about language. But anyway, I still get the feeling that you're making assumptions about the Japanese community as a whole. Yes, there are a lot of Japanese players (I'd assume mostly from FFXI) that have a bad taste in their mouths from experiences in FFXI. There are others who simply are scared to try and speak English. And then there are those that don't mind and would like to party with English speaking players.

You just admitted yourself, not all of them are like that.

Of course i never said they all are. So thats moot.But there are MORE THEN A FEW who are. You act like its 12 people only. Its not.

Still its wrong to discount the full NA playerbase because of a few. Just like you are telling me its wrong to dismiss the JP player base (which IMO i am not but you seem to think i am).

[Spellbinder]

Right but if they do the server change all the English speakers will go to the english server and the community will be much bigger. and all of those people unless they are blacklisted will want to party with everyone on the server.

Again the assumption that everyone's going to want to play together. They community may technically be bigger, but just because people aren't on a blacklist doesn't mean they're going to want to play together. What if more people chose the International server rather than the English only server and you ended up with a smaller community than you expected? Or perhaps those who want to persist in an international setting are deprived of their community because of people moving to language specific servers?

[Spellbinder]

Of course i never said they all are. So thats moot.But there are MORE THEN A FEW who are. You act like its 12 people only. Its not.

Still its wrong to discount the full NA playerbase because of a few. Just like you are telling me its wrong to dismiss the JP player base (which IMO i am not but you seem to think i am).

The point I'm trying to get across is that the majority of those who do not want to play with English speaking players is probably not simply because they hate you.

[DNO]

Again the assumption that everyone's going to want to play together. They community may technically be bigger, but just because people aren't on a blacklist doesn't mean they're going to want to play together. What if more people chose the International server rather than the English only server and you ended up with a smaller community than you expected? Or perhaps those who want to persist in an international setting are deprived of their community because of people moving to language specific servers?

This is all assumptions. Point is Most MMOS use the servers this way. FF11 and ff14 are the only ones that dont. So the servers will be full if the subs are large. they type of setup is up and working in every game. For you to assume it wont work here is silly IMO. But it could happen you never no.

[Spellbinder]

I'm not making assumptions, I'm simply offering hypothetical situations. Regardless of how the servers are setup, there are going to be people who will and will not play with you for whatever reason whether they speak your language or not. What you think their perception of you is, is out of my hands.

[DNO]

The point I'm trying to get across is that the majority of those who do not want to play with English speaking players is probably not simply because they hate you.

My point is i do not care if its because they hate me. Point is if they do not invite me i do not want to be on that server IF i have that choice. I will play no matter what they do TBH.