The virtual currency "Moogle Coins" in the FFXIV Companion app must be removed

[Vstarstruck]

I did think about this, but when people are already this mistrustful, I think they will just say they're lying. Like "how can it cost this much to do <x> when I read here that this other company did it for <y>?" Or "why are youspending so much money on <z> that nobody wants, when you could instead put it on <a>?" (You're already kind of on this road with "it doesn't work if it has merit," implying that not showing it supports that the conspiracy theory is true.)

Anyway, I'd love to see this info too, as I do think it'd be extremely eye-opening to everyone regardless of what it showed on this particular issue, but I suspect the main reason they'll hide it is probably competitive secrets.

First off, I really like your posts and being open to other view points and really looking outside your own (rare here) so ty on that.

For our suspicion about fudging numbers and people saying that yes you are correct. The reason is SE has known to do this. Look at FFXV, how they bragged about "sales" and trying to make people believe FFXV was more successful then it really was with "10 million shipped" and the thing is people really fell for it.

On the other hand with them being silent it just makes people suspicious as well "you are not saying anything because we are right"

Now I can even explain why SE would be in the wrong even if you are right about costs being higher hen we think they are. The only reason that could cause that is from heavy inefficiency off running on a bad core (1.0 limitations). So I really dislike the idea being charged so much money just because they refuse to fix the core, making it way more expensive to run over time, rather then just dumping a lot of money at once to fix the problem. I also think we have covered such costs though all these microtransactions and such, its just SE simply doesn't want to because the profits are "good enough"

Is it this or a subscription fee increase?

Why do you say that?

Because that person is a white knight and will say anything to make SE look better. They do it with every backlash that existed, dresser, Eureka, etc, I am sure they will find ways to support the MSQ roulette BS and the raid wide lots too.

[Musashidon]

I'd rather they increase it if its actually not enough to fund the game.

i am 100% against this i don't like the p2p model this is the only game i am going to p2p i would be completely happy going f2p.

people talk about double dipping but the game did that day one requiring me to buy the game then pay to keep playing it.

like i can own a game but not play it?!

[Mahrze]

Honestly, it's this, or sub increases for everyone. I'd rather the ability to choose to pay more than be forced to, wouldn't you? The price of a sub for an mmo has been static for more than 20 years, I don't think anything else has ever remained the same price for that long.

Prices for games in general have been static for quite some time. And a sub increase would require a reasonable explanation, commitment and promise from the company that the money is going to the game, regardless if the 5 USD only has 1 USD going to the game. Akin to how legacy players have the "commitment" to pay less because they supported the game in 1.0.

Instead, we have 5 optional USD that are for the most part an extra earning on the already large cash cow that is the game. I don't dislike the "optional" venue. But it is clear their target audience is on the home-front and seem to forget their home-front is not as big as the international reach they have.

Only until people stop buying. This cost money to develop. If nobody subscribes, the message gets sent pretty clearly that we don't want more flagrant cash grabs.

Speak with your wallet. It's the language all corporate management types understand.

Sadly, we're past that point when the carby mount became the most popular item in the mogstation (if the rankings are not a marketing thing).

Only problem with that is that is that people will do it anyway. Micro-transactions are extremely popular, and is a lot more so in JA. Square has a ton of mobile games that are JA exclusive. In a business standpoint, they'd be stupid to not want to bank on it.

Yeah and those games die in 6-12 months after their launch, quick cash grabs and hype trains are the seasoning on the FotM mobile game dishes in Japan. And those games have the additional thing that you don't pay for the game, your account, initial and subsequent access to said game.

The thing is, they are using price differentiation as a gate behind things that should be in the game. And things are now less about customer loyalty (no more veteran rewards and I assume the legacy demographic is very minuscule vs the majority) and more about a glaring intent to maximize profit from the customers they know place value on extras that are standards in other games with simpler or similar "premium" models.

[Tridus]

Sadly, we're past that point when the carby mount became the most popular item in the mogstation (if the rankings are not a marketing thing).

Guilty. I bought one as a birthday present for someone. She was very happy.

But it's not too late with the app. People don't have to subscribe to that nonsense.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Honestly, it's this, or sub increases for everyone. I'd rather the ability to choose to pay more than be forced to, wouldn't you? The price of a sub for an mmo has been static for more than 20 years, I don't think anything else has ever remained the same price for that long.

Or a third option: Don't waste a ton of money on the app to begin with.

Saying FFXIV needs to recoup costs after this app is silly. XIV has basically carried the company as a cash cow since its relaunch; funding two of their most expensive products to date: FFXV and FFVII: Remake. They have more than enough, but simply want to double dip.

[Mahrze]

But it's not too late with the app. People don't have to subscribe to that nonsense.

When you have the carby mount. The Shiva statue "out of stock" thing 3 times and other things. I doubt this will hold any water unless this reaches high tides through gaming websites and other media.

Then we have the dilemma for the media: "Do I report this which makes SE look bad and risk SE not granting us review copies of releases?" because I am sure this is something that exists to a degree.

[Tridus]

Then we have the dilemma for the media: "Do I report this which makes SE look bad and risk SE not granting us review copies of releases?" because I am sure this is something that exists to a degree.

It absolutely is, unless you're EA, ironically. If EA tried that, people would report it and get another round of negativity against EA.

[PonifiedBeast]

So? we shut our mouths, and play? Because this seems an already lost battle, dont bother to battle? ...

No, I don't think we should shut our mouths. I for one am going to argue this as much as I can, but I feel our voices will be drowned out. Square really doesn't seem to care what we think as long as they can make a profit.

[Vstarstruck]

It absolutely is, unless you're EA, ironically. If EA tried that, people would report it and get another round of negativity against EA.

I am not sure if it got resolved or if this is 100% fact so take what I am about to say with a grain of salt.

With that out of the way there was some spain? review website that gave FFXV a rating in the 7 range. SE cut them off with review copies because of it

https://kotaku.com/spanish-website-s...w-c-1789690007

there ya go

A representative for Square Enix did not respond to a request for comment. When reached by Kotaku, Koch Media’s PR manager in Spain said: “We have no comment to make on that story.”

oh gee a common theme not to communicate.

[Alleo]

Honestly, it's this, or sub increases for everyone. I'd rather the ability to choose to pay more than be forced to, wouldn't you? The price of a sub for an mmo has been static for more than 20 years, I don't think anything else has ever remained the same price for that long.

Are you saying that such a big company like SE needs sub money, expansion money, cash shop money, merchandise money and the app money to keep the game alive? I dont have a source right now but isnt FF14 one of their biggest cash cows? Maybe less campaigns with strange other companies, less work into things like this app and other stuff and they should have enough money imo.

Honestly if they need all of this to keep the sub price stable then I kinda fear for the future of this game..