Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

[BillyKaplan]

The lesson from this is probably something like "don't talk to the community because they're fickle, confused, and will hate it if you give them what they ask for."

To be fair, that's not wrong.

[Lauront]

To be fair, that's not wrong.

They'd be drawing the wrong lesson, then, precisely because there's different groups asking for different things. I think Theodric has articulated what many of us playing guy characters actually wanted. Growing indignant because we're not happy with what was offered, when it wasn't us who was asking for that, is folly. Like you said, it is important if they want to understand why they're losing revenue, should it come to that, or alternatively facing the risk of that. Appearance plays a big role in an MMO, especially since a good deal of it consists of a gear hamster wheel.

[Tridus]

They'd be drawing the wrong lesson, then, precisely because there's different groups asking for different things. I think Theodric has articulated what many of us playing guy characters actually wanted. Growing indignant because we're not happy with what was offered, when it wasn't us who was asking for that, is folly. Like you said, it is important if they want to understand why they're losing revenue, should it come to that, or alternatively facing the risk of that. Appearance plays a big role in an MMO, especially since a good deal of it consists of a gear hamster wheel.

Spending resources to put a requested glamour in the game spawning tons of complaints that they didn't add a different glamour to the game hardly seems worth the effort and mostly just makes the community look ridiculous. Can't be happy that someone else got something they requested that doesn't negatively impact anyone who doesn't want it in any way?

Oy.

[Lauront]

Spending resources to put a requested glamour in the game spawning tons of complaints that they didn't add a different glamour to the game hardly seems worth the effort and mostly just makes the community look ridiculous. Can't be happy that someone else got something they requested that doesn't negatively impact anyone who doesn't want it in any way?

Oy.

Perhaps your perception is the issue here.

There is no singular "community" as such, nor a spokesperson for it. Accordingly, players who wanted this (a tiny minority of those playing male toons) are happy, whereas those who want actual glamours made in a masculine fashion would have preferred for SE to introduce that for their toons, instead, and are dissatisfied that 1) that has not been forthcoming (in addition to an overall deficit of such glamours for male toons) and 2) do consider it to be a use of dev resources that could have been put to that use. Pretending that this makes the "community" look ridiculous is just willful misunderstanding of what is being said, and although I can forgive some players for being so myopic, if SE held to such a view, I'd be less understanding. In fact, I'd consider it a fairly petty response and not one befitting a multimillion company with SE's reputation, which should have a solid understanding of consumer segmentation. They are perfectly capable of designing brilliant masculine outfits, as evidenced in FFXV. Perhaps different design teams, but the talent is there, and FFXIV is one of their big moneymakers, with a roughly equal split between male and female toons.

[Miste]

There is no singular "community" as such, nor a spokesperson for it. Accordingly, players who wanted this (a tiny minority of those playing male toons) are happy, whereas those who want actual glamours made in a masculine fashion would have preferred for SE to introduce that for their toons, instead, and are dissatisfied

Yes, there is no singular community in a sense that we all have differing opinions, but we are still the FFXIV community despite that.

How people treat SE on these forums reflects on us as a community.

Too many people just don't look objectively at something due to their subjective feelings on it and therefore don't give proper objective respect and appreciation for when SE bends to requests specifically from the FFXIV community (whichever part of that community happens to get their request approved doesn't matter.)

Being diplomatic about it would reflect better on us as a community. Offer thanks and appreciation that SE did a request part of the community asked for, then offer more ideas and critiques and campaign for things you (or a subset of the community) would like to see. If we lack appreciation they may stop bothering answering community requests at all.

The thank you and appreciation that SE is trying to fulfill requests from the community is lacking in my opinion.

As I said in my earlier post:

The criticisms are fine....the issue I have is that no one seems to balance it out by acknowledging what SE did do.

Sure there is a lot of stuff SE does that I don't like, but I can give objective credit where credit is due.

They did this even though they kind of openly admitted they didn't want to, just to try to make a portion of the FFXIV players happy.

This is the first time, as far as I remember, that they have ever changed a female locked glamour set to being able to be worn by males.

I mean these are the first steps, they have been trying to listen, but they may stop listening if people are showing zero appreciation for what they tried to do and calling the company lazy isn't going to help us get more opportunities as a community to ask for what we want in the game.

Sure, you might not have been in the camp that wanted a direct copy of the female version, but acknowledge what I listed above and then add critiques of what you want to see in the future and keep campaigning for more male glamours in general. They will be way more likely to keep putting the effort in if they can see the player base being at least partially appreciative.

When it comes to SE bending to requests from the community only posting negativity and not posting a few of the positives (no matter how small they may be) just won't help us get more things we want in my opinion.

Have to remember it is their game, not ours, they obviously want to keep their subscribers happy of course otherwise they wouldn't make a profit, but honestly the game wasn't going to crash and burn just because they ignored a male bunny suit request, but they still did it anyway right?

I mean older MMOs basically never listened to the players when it came to development (most didn't even have an official forums). Something like a campaign for a certain set of glamour in old games it would have been unheard of for the game company to listen at all. So I really feel some appreciation is needed here even if you have critiques to go with it that is fine.

[Alleo]

Spending resources to put a requested glamour in the game spawning tons of complaints that they didn't add a different glamour to the game hardly seems worth the effort and mostly just makes the community look ridiculous. Can't be happy that someone else got something they requested that doesn't negatively impact anyone who doesn't want it in any way?

Oy.

I think the problem still is that this took 2 years. If they had released the set (or unlocked the already existing one) after a couple of months (maybe one or two patches later) as the same one as the women then I believe that less people would have a problem with it. But people waited for years and some answers made it kinda look like that it would be different (which at least would explain some of the time that it took). Taking two years to put the same model on male bodies just feel like they did not want to do that but gave up because people still asked for it in SB. If you do what parts of the community wants then do it fast and not take years and maybe just be forward with what you are doing. If they had said that this would look exactly the same as the female one (including the breast part of the top..) then people would have known 100% what will happen.