Request: Please give us alternate ways to obtain PVP armour and weapons

[Gallus]

The reason you don't see me in matches is not because I'm that low but because I stopped playing. Try figuring out why.

I play diamond matches I expect my teammates not to do unranked first timer mistakes.

More like you want to win every game and get mad if you don't. I've seen where this kind of reasoning leads to. All your harassment and ragequitting is suddenly justified because you think your team is dragging you down. There's no such thing as "this unranked mistake I won't tolerate!", you aren't fooling anyone here, your attitude is obnoxious the very moment you realize you are losing.

A paladin who never stuns, heals,uses cover or his holy spirit. A melee who limit breaks into safeguard,tank limit break,bole which buffs are both running still 5-7s while being disabled by an ast

Keep pretending it takes that kind of stuff for you to stop trying or harassing.

after not getting a kill in culling 5 for a minute

If that's the case the enemy team isn't doing something very well either aren't they?

there is no communication and just mindless use of your abilities even the greatest player cant carry you.

Spamming "Thank you" or ignore spamming someone right after the enemy team gets a kill is not communication.

[randoom]

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You don't even provide any real counter argument for his claims.

[Gallus]

You don't even provide any real counter argument for his claims.

Care to elaborate a bit more?

[randoom]

He said "A paladin who never stuns, heals,uses cover or his holy spirit. A melee who limit breaks into safeguard,tank limit break,bole which buffs are both running still 5-7s while being disabled by an ast"
You completely ignored these problems and called it harassment.

You also quoted him saying "after not getting a kill in culling 5 for a minute", yet you completely ignored that part that he said the other team are in 2-3 kill lead.

[Awha]

Snip . . .

Lazy and entitled when all we are asking for is a different means to obtaining the mounts. Some of even made the suggestion allow players to buy the mounts using wolf collars that they can earn over time. If it is okay for weapons, why is it not okay for mounts? Or why does that make us entitled or lazy if we wish to be able to earn the mounts over time like we can the weapons? All we want is a different means of obtaining the mounts just like the weapons. Why is everyone so defensive about that.

Also who is it say grinding out matches is not earning it?

[Kaiche]

If not laziness and entitlement what is it? why can't you, like everyone else who has these rewards work towards getting top 100 and obtaining these rewards? You wouldn't even need to complain if you just tried to get it yourself instead of trying to find easier ways to obtain an exclusive item and making excuses.

The whole point is the competitive aspect: reaching the top of the chain through skill, Players work hard throughout the season(s) to get the reward... Do you know how easy it is to get to gold? literally anyone can by just spamming, even bots reach there peak there sometimes... It's beyond easy, why should that be rewarded through grind to get the top 100 Exclusive reward? What competition does that realistically set?

In fact getting to top 100 IS the grind, what you're suggesting is nothing compared to that.

[Kaiche]

Also Wolf collars + The Hellhound weapons are literally the wolf asseccories that were rewarded for participation, nothing has changed.

[Crit]

casuals out lmao

[Awha]

Laziness and entitlement that is your view, which is fine. In my view asking for different options is just that asking for different options it not inherently lazy or or entitled. I am sure some do feel they are entitled to the reward, or it should be easier. That is their position I will not, but their view does not detract from those that are willing to grind out over the course of an extended amount of time to receive rewards. Also, I am trying, and nor do I want the rewards to be easy on my behalf I will do what I always to in other games climb my up for a first couple of seasons then overtime get better. If I do not get better so be it.

Nevertheless, in my view as a player in other games that has worked their way for world first kills, ranked pvp rewards, top three assassin title in star wars. End of the day these items have objective value outside of the game itself and the achievements that we earn in this game hold very little worth if any to those to most in our every day living. In the end we are all pretending our achievements in this game have any inherent value. That is where my opinion / suggestion stems from everything we do in this game boils down to a choice, as it is a choice people do have the right to make a request for change to be happen. Sure change may not happen, but only way to find out is by making the request.

People can be in disagreement, but what reason do people have to be defensive about the request being made. As people have said more or less these pleas for different options will result in no change being made, but does not hurt those that wish for change to at the very least try instead of laying down and accepting the status quo for what it is. Why must those that wish for a different means accept it without trying to see if it would be possible to change. When the made a change to feast chat did people lay down an accept it for what it is, or did they make threads trying to see if a change can be made. As mentioned if nothing results in this I am sure many will move on and adapt.

[Awha]

Sorry for some reason not letting me edit my above post, and the previous that post that was here was a mess. My apologizes.

Someone mentioned the whole point is the competitive aspect how does having the reward made more available take away from the competitive aspect? Wouldn't it be more of the same, grind out enough matches to get out of the lower ranks for more competitive ones?

Those that seek competition will always strive for it and overtime naturally will be found at the higher ranks. Some take part simply for the rewards, but I would venture to guess on average most that strive or are able to reach top 100 do so because they enjoy the competitive aspect which means they will climb high enough to each the top. Even if one is to say that without a reward less people will play, who is to say that if the rewards were made available more people would not jump in to take the spot of those that left?

I just recently started taking part in the feast a couple of weeks ago, currently sitting at silver near promotions. I know I am not going to finish with a high rank this season or maybe even next season that is fine. I am not doing this for the reward I am doing it because I enjoy arena based PvP, and I am not grinding for any reward I am trying to climb the ranks because I want to take part in competitive matches. I am trying to understand the position of others, but I do not think I will ever understand it since for the life of me the only reason I can see for having exclusive rewards is for the bragging rights that come with having them. Just as I am sure others will never understand my view and will think I am just being leech that wants everything handed to them. I wish I could see the side others have posed, I have tried to understand it but end of the day I simply cannot get past my view how value is subjective. Sure others aspects can influence it, but that does not mean we have to act on it. As someone mentioned what I am arguing is akin to arguing being gay is a choice, and personal I do not know if who or what ones finds attractive is a choice or not. That is a can of worms not necessary for this thread.

Though as they mentioned end of the day both sides have to resort to hypothetical explains, and I did get heated at times because some were making objective claims that one side is right and the other is wrong. Others have argued that precedent dictates what reasonable action follows SE agenda. Which I then argued is not set in stone, and has changed. I wish it were possible to have a reasonable discussion on this topic, but I do not think that is possible since I do not think either side is willing to accept different view points. I have tried, and I do understand that value one attributes to something can be influenced by many factors, and my position that the only person that can detract the value of an item is the owner more or less puts us in a situation where the side with the reward has to pretend that said reward means anything to anyone expect themselves or those that understood what went into getting said reward. Though from my perspective that is what we do with everything in a video game, in my eyes nothing we do in a video game has any inherent value. Also seems like a waste of man hours on SE part to put effort into designing something only a fraction of people will ever obtain or even see, since it is not like we can use our mounts in city states anyways, so the active viewer pool of said mounts is fairly limited.

When all is said and done I simply do not see how earning a reward over a certain length of time show any less effort then reaching top 100. Sure getting top 100 does show more skill, and that skill rewards them with the mount sooner.