Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

[kikix12]

Shockingly different groups of people have different priorities and interests, and it's absolutely not contradictory at all for some people who want equal glamours to push for the exact bunny outfit female characters got, and a separate group of people who also want separate but equal (as in feminine gear for women, and masculine gear for men) to express dissatisfaction at the result. Doesn't mean either of them are wrong.

You are right...and therein lies the problem. Did anyone ever say that they want this or that bunny suit?! I will admit that I never really checked the threads. I myself dislike the idea of the bunny suit being available to PC's at all, male or female alike, since I just dislike the idea of "for the heck" glamours. But that's besides the point.

Did anyone say that they want a masculine variation? Did anyone say that they want it but only the feminine variant? I am almost certain that no one did either. Not one side, the one that is now happy, nor the other, which is cringing under these news. Yet these people that never actually said that they wanted are complaining that the developers made it in the other way. What...are developers now supposed to be able to read peoples minds? Heck, it's not like they could actually win either way anyway. And what's worse here?! That the people that WANT bunny outfits but DIFFERENT than what they got are exactly as ignorant of there being ones with different opinions as some players here that are being complained about due to what they said, like RiyahArp.

I do not defend anyone. Ultimately everyone have their own ideas of what looks good and what not and all that jazz. And there are as many "styles" as there are people, in any combination of points in life, age, situation, living area, gender, sexuality etc. However, almost everyone here is guilty of the exact same thing, but since they are "one side" in this argument (pro-bunny, even if against this variation) it is completely ignored by "protectors" that come here and try to explain why someone said something wrong.


On a different note...Please, people...Stop bringing Chippendales into this...The only "bunny" that they are related is the Playboy...through one of the founders having killed a Playboy playmate that was his estranged wife.
They have nothing in common with the bunny outfits. They have entirely different job than the hostesses that wear the bunny outfits. The ONLY thing in common is that their job is to appeal to sexual interests of whoever is paying, but that's as much in common as they have with porn actors or dildos...And I don't think people here would argue that they wanted a dildo-looking costume?! Right?!
Clearly the people asking whether Square Enix ever even heard of Chippendales should actually look them up themselves. The bunnies in the business are Playboy ones, but those are strictly female.

[Lilseph]

Did anyone say that they want a masculine variation? Did anyone say that they want it but only the feminine variant? I am almost certain that no one did either..

Sorry for correcting on you this, but people actually asked for a male equivalent, and the chippendale's outfit was posted there too, years ago, when this was suggested. I participated in these threads.

[Miste]

but people actually asked for a male equivalent, and the chippendale's outfit was posted there too

Just to try to understand though why would you want those chippendale's outfits?

My opinion on it is that those outfits are so generic that, as per my previous post, you can create something almost exactly like that with gear we already have in-game. Wouldn't that be bad? It wouldn't be anything new at that point...just barely different than stuff we already have now.

People are already mentioning criticisms of reused models and rehashed gear that isn't new or unique so I think in the end it would end up causing more of that.

[Lilseph]

Snip.

...AND the chippendale. That's the keyword. Answering to you both, a male equivalent would be a remodel using the base design to create something that is appealing for men, not just transfering the whole outfit and stamp them on their bodies. You know, putting a biiiit of effort into it. Alternatively, yeah, the Chippendale's looks generic, if we use the pics posted as a comparison. You can even replicate it. But what about create an outfit for males using THAT outfit as a concept? Then add all the accesories and ornaments you want to make it look more Final Fantasy-ish. As it is now, it looks like a comedic relief more than anything.

In the end, I can see people complaining back and forth about this. You guys like it, great. Some people don't. At least you got the bunny ears, that was the item that people wanted the most anyway.

[Miste]

You know, putting a biiiit of effort into it. Alternatively, yeah, the Chippendale's looks generic, if we use the pics posted as a comparison. You can even replicate it. But what about create an outfit for males using THAT outfit as a concept? Then add all the accesories and ornaments you want to make it look more Final Fantasy-ish.

Well thank you for the clarification...the reason I didn't understand was no one who posted images of chippendales explained anything like that; including your post with the image.

Everyone who posted those images basically said "I wanted it like this" or "I expected this or something like this", but that is so vague...no one clarified something like: "I want something designed using this concept as a base and expanded upon to make it more FFXIV style and unique"

[Vstarstruck]

Well thank you for the clarification...thereason I didn't understand was no one who posted images of chippendales explained anything like that; including your post with the image.

Everyone who posted those images basically said "I wanted it like this" or "I expected this or something like this", but that is so vague...no one clarified something like: "I want something designed using this concept as a base and expanded upon to make it more FFXIV style and unique"

welcome to online communications, every one skips out on little details like that expecting people to get the implied meaning, but then end up chewing each others heads off when they do not get it, such as:

Except this isn't putting words in people's mouth, as it has actually happened already, in theodrics post, which you quoted.

Lets read again shall we? I will even bold stuff for you

In other words, you don't really have a stake in the fight or any knowledge of the long string of disappointments where male glamour options are concerned yet you can't help but rush at the chance to make a snide comment. It's very telling that the vast majority of the posters belittling the concerns raised about male glamour options don't even seem to play a male character themselves...at least not as their main character. Interestingly enough, many of those same individuals also post as Au Ra and Miqo'te women - which just so happen to be the two of the more popular and 'fan service' options available where glamour options are concerned.

So few things here, first off they where stating how a vast majority act, not just yourself, second the fact you feel this was directed at you, you are basically admitting yes you where belittling people that are concerned about male glamor. 3rd, they where not assuming anything as they noted "at least not as their main character" I do not think you have a right to state "I don't usually play miqo actually, I'm normally a hyur." When you are posting on a Miqo'te as far as I remember.

Now I do not think it can be debated that "Au Ra and Miqo'te women - which just so happen to be the two of the more popular and 'fan service' options available where glamour options are concerned." holds true. People just want more options for what they like, males is lacking, and more unique male outfits would be appreciated, not this landslide of female only, or male and female gear, or such as this, male getting copy/pasted female gear. The double standard as you call it, is what people are upset about.

It really just gets old seeing you over and over again posting "can't please everyone" to legitimate concerns.

People are so unreasonable sometimes...

You had no reason to post this other then trying to fight with people

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

3rd, they where not assuming anything as they noted "at least not as their main character" I do not think you have a right to state "I don't usually play miqo actually, I'm normally a hyur." When you are posting on a Miqo'te as far as I remember.

Now I do not think it can be debated that "Au Ra and Miqo'te women - which just so happen to be the two of the more popular and 'fan service' options available where glamour options are concerned." holds true. People just want more options for what they like, males is lacking, and more unique male outfits would be appreciated, not this landslide of female only, or male and female gear, or such as this, male getting copy/pasted female gear. The double standard as you call it, is what people are upset about.

It really just gets old seeing you over and over again posting "can't please everyone" to legitimate concerns.

If we go by that logic, how can you have an opinion on Eureka if you only post with a level 60 character? Clearly you haven't done it before, as far as we know!

I was a hyur for years. Just because you have only seen me posting in the last month does not negate those years. In fact, most people who know me are surprised I'm still a Miqo'te, as I have fantasia'd to one many times in the past, and it rarely lasts more than a day before I'm back to hyur.

Can't please everyone is a legitimate thing to say, as no one will ever be happy with everything. You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time. This is a legit quote and its true.

There is no "landslide" of female only gear. There are actually less than 5 or so sets that are female specific where males do not have an equivalent. There are several sets that are unisex instead of male only, and I agree this is unfair. You are judging based on the topic of males asked for a bunny suit and got one, vs males asked for male specific or less male unisex female only gear. I have NEVER said males should not have equivalent amounts of gender locked gear.

The topic at hand is separate from other topics on the matter. In this case, there were many people asking for the bunny outfit to be available to males as well. They did so, and now other people are unhappy about it, saying they expected something else. I'm pretty sure the dev communication was always "we are working on the male bunny suit" and not "we are working on a new unique male bunny suit."

Missed the point yet again, why am i not surprised.
red herring (or legitimately did not understand) no idea.

I need to ask though, how? HOW after all those details I gave?

Edit: maybe be a good idea to have your post typed out in full before posting, regardless I am not wasting any more post quota trying to take back what I said to your new edits and posting again.

I guess I can say this though, you may be correct but that line is still out of place, as you keep doing that to subjects no matter what it is asked for, and gets old. Just let people talk what they want changed, we do not need "spam" I guess you can call it, pointing out "can't please everyone" as that does NOTHING to help the topic in general. It is a another bandaid, quick and lazy fix, for once I would like them to show a change with effort behind it, that is all I ask for.

Your points are very hard to understand. You stated i did not have the right to say i was a hyur. I have every right to state I was a hyur, I have screenshots to prove it.

People literally asked for the male bunny outfit. How is it lazy to give people what they asked for?

I do not care, it is off track and off the point, I am not going to ask for such a thing when it does not matter, you taking that statement that literal just shows how much you misunderstood Theodric.

You do not understand because you take things too literally.

What does this even mean? You say I don't have the right, then you say it doesn't matter to the topic. WHY DID YOU BRING IT UP THEN?!

[kikix12]

Answering to you both, a male equivalent would be a remodel using the base design to create something that is appealing for men, not just transfering the whole outfit and stamp them on their bodies.

No. A male equivalent is what a male equivalent is. It's not what you want the male equivalent to be. If someone would tell me they want an orange, me giving them a tangerine would make them question my intellect. It looks like orange (though smaller), its acidic, it's fruit as well and related to boot...but it's a tangerine.

A male equivalent to a bunny hostess suit is either based on its look (aka. that suit, but wearable by men) or on its function. And yeah...this is how a male equivalent of a hostess looks like.

What you are talking about is a MASCULINE equivalent. Masculine =/= male. Those are two different words with two different meanings. And ironically...a masculine equivalent could be female-only.


So I go back to my earlier post. Did people actually ask for WHAT they want? No. Because they said something that is simply wrong, hoping that the other side will deduce what they want from context. Yeah...no. Sorry, but how they are expected to deduce anything from context if they do NOT have context? This is translated, then is briefed and passes multiple hands. Unless you make CLEAR what you want, aka. a masculine bunny suit for men, you cannot complain about it being different than what you want.

The fault is on those that did not define what they want. It's as simple as that. No amount of shifting blame on Square for not understanding you is going to change the reality that YOU (not you specifically, but those that wanted a "male bunny suit") are the ones that misused the English language in requesting the suit.

[SilverObi]

As it is now, it looks like a comedic relief more than anything.

Because that's how males crossdressing is viewed in japan, as comedy relief or something foolish to not be indulged in for very long (though this is a common trope for many cultures).

Obviously they struggled to make something for men based off the bunny suit and instead went for hey let's just make it a big joke cause they didn't know how to conceptualize a masculine version of the purely feminine outfit. I don't have a dog in this fight so I don't care too much, aside from not looking forward to Ul'dah in the coming months, but it's plain to see they as a team had no clue on how to approach this project. And we can't use previous outfits that show off the male figure as proof of ability since those were based off pre-existing styles.

[Osmond]

Because that's how males crossdressing is viewed in japan, as comedy relief or something foolish to not be indulged in for very long (though this is a common trope for many cultures).

Obviously they struggled to make something for men based off the bunny suit and instead went for hey let's just make it a big joke cause they didn't know how to conceptualize a masculine version of the purely feminine outfit. I don't have a dog in this fight so I don't care too much, aside from not looking forward to Ul'dah in the coming months, but it's plain to see they as a team had no clue on how to approach this project. And we can't use previous outfits that show off the male figure as proof of ability since those were based off pre-existing styles.

I don't think they had any intention to make this. Just more of seeing if this would stop a part of the community from asking that question/s.