Request: Please give us alternate ways to obtain PVP armour and weapons

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Can we agree when we talk about value we are talking about how much something is worth to someone? In this context am I wrong to say that value is subjective? I think this is where a lot of the confusion came about. I do not think the majority are in disagreement with you that subjective value markers can have objective changes due to changes made to them. For personally I know that I worded by position as a means that assumed me share the same value system. When I spoke of value in the social context using the Joe 1234 having the access to the same mount should not detract from the personal value, only the social value. I was wrong since what I considered social value can be a factor to determine personal value.

We have differing views on this matter, but doesn't this go to show how in this context one view is not inherently wrong or right? Sure one can be more widely more acceptable by a larger margin of people, in this case you have the precedent of placed by the company supporting exclusive rewards for certain content. I mean I get you have the status quo on your side, but does that status quo mean that any request made to make a change of the system should be met with personal attacks, or treated like a moot or frivolous endeavor. People in this very thread have attacked others for their views if we can get past that maybe then we could have a proper discussion regarding the topic. Sure nothing may come of it, but maybe something will. In the end we are making a request, said request does have a direct impact on those that have the value marker of the item once being only meant for those that have showed the, commitment, effort, and skill and will objectively devalue the item due to the objective value proposition posed by SE.

What I am trying to say is just because SE is currently on your side it does not make any request to change the current system moot, or any side that is not in agreement with you wrong. In the end the markers that we choose to determine value are subjective, but changes can have an objective impact on said choices. Thing is SE is free to change their value proposition that is why we are posing the request to SE. Be in disagreement, argue your position but can either side truly said they are objective right or wrong on this matter. As it stands a few people seem to think they are objective correct because currently SE shares the same view. That view can easily change, and if it does ever change I do hope if anyone in favor of the current system is not meant with you are wrong because that is life or you are wrong since I have SE on my side.

It is okay to be in disagreement, but a topic like this does not have an objective truth, and no request made to change the current system should be met with personal attacks from either side. I am sorry if anything I have said in the past was seen as a personal attack, I do know that I could have said some harsh things and I know that due to situation not a native speaking coupled with learning disabilities my posts can be hard to read. Sorry about that, either way I do think we can have an interesting discussion if both sides are willing to admit that one either side in not inherently right or wrong.

I don't think people who don't put the same effort into getting a reward should be entitled to the reward, period, and that isn't a wrong sentiment to have.

It is not a wrong sentiment to have, and if I implied otherwise then I am sorry since for the confusion. Your sentiment, but being that is your personal belief on the subject same should be true for those that want consistency or for those that want exclusive rewards to be made obtainable by everyone in the community.

Rewards advertised as hard to get made easier to get does lower value. Fact.

This is also true if the value marker you place on a item is tied to the current value proposition posed by SE, and if SE did happen to change their value proposition for whatever reason said reward / item would lose value that is a fact. That is why we are making the request for differing means to obtain the rewards. Since SE is within their right to change their value proposition at anytime. Does not mean you have to agree with their choice if they ever changed it to make the rewards readily available for more players no it does not and it also does not make your position wrong if change were to happen. Just as those who are not in favor with the current system do not have to be pleased and are within their right to make a request for a change to be made. Sure you can be in disagreement but does not mean that the request is wrong.