Idea to fix controversy about healer dps.

[MoroMurasaki]

Looking at those players who forgot Cure 1, Medica 1, Benefic 1, Helios, and Physick exist and blow MP like crazy using Cure 2 and Bene 2 on things that could be overehealed with Cure/Bene 1.

I think personally this has as much to do with mp efficency as it does to do with GCD efficency. I know on WHM specifically unless there is an incoming tankbuster in Savage/EX that I need the tank topped up for rarely am I casting a GCD heal for the 10-11k that a Cure hits for, I'll generally plan for my heal to hit when he's lower than that so I can get more bang for my buck with Cure II or Tetra if it's up.

I understand AST doesn't have that same boundless mp pool so it's a bit easier to justify constant Benefic IIs, doesn't hurt that decision making process that losing a Malefic III is less of a potency loss and AST has to spend far less GCDs on keeping up Combust than WHM does on Aero II/III though.

All in all just wanted to point out this is often not "garbage situational spell use" and many times just the right thing to do.

[OcieKo]

All in all just wanted to point out this is often not "garbage situational spell use" and many times just the right thing to do.

I acknowledge theres great uses for the spells but a lot of times you just see people waste it for god knows what reasons. Can't say how many times I've seen some healer spam Cure 2, Bene 2, Adloq, DABene, Medica 2 and other spells with good usages, but theyll use it for say... Topping off 3-5k hp during an invuln phase. Really annoys me when healers blow their MP for no good reason.

Part of my opinion on the matter is rooted in my bias towards MP efficiency over GCD efficiency, which the later favors the overly DPS centric trend of games today.

I think personally this has as much to do with mp efficency as it does to do with GCD efficency. I know on WHM specifically unless there is an incoming tankbuster in Savage/EX that I need the tank topped up for rarely am I casting a GCD heal for the 10-11k that a Cure hits for, I'll generally plan for my heal to hit when he's lower than that so I can get more bang for my buck with Cure II or Tetra if it's up.

If we're talking tank healing often you can precast the larger heals with the expectation of the need for the extra potency, many good healers will have tank buster recovery started before the hit lands, but the issue is more when there no reason to believe your going to make use of it, in those cases its just blown MP. The point where the blown MP for no gain doesn't seem to be factor in the decision making, can be considered an issue. Foresight into ability to function for the next 30s regardless of what happens seems to be a dying skill.

Given that this thread is about healer DPS controversy GCD Efficiency > MP Efficiency being percieved extremely lopsided in favor of GCD Efficiency does contribute to it. Since as long as maintaining the power pool is such a joke that it becomes a non-factor.

[MoroMurasaki]

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I totally get where you're coming from and I think your choice of prioritization (while perhaps not optimal) is your choice and it isn't going to be a huge detriment to your parties like, say, a healer not dpsing would be.

Honestly if you'd made a similar post in a different context I might not have even replied to it.

My problem is, first and foremost, you don't phrase your views as an opinion while putting down people with other priorities as having "garbage situational spell use and decision making". This isn't okay. Despite your views on MP efficency trumping GCD efficency (which is objectively suboptimal in this game) you don't see me calling you garbage. You have a system of priorities and aren't rolling your cat over your keyboard to play - this alone brings you out of the "garbage" tier for me.

Secondly I find that your views more subtly undermine my own in this thread. I'm saying healer dps is attainable, helpful and important. Your view of MP efficency by it's very nature gives people a reason to argue this - if we need to conserve mp so much we're using the base Cure as our primary ST heal in 70 content it is easy to say DPSing costs a lot more MP than healing with Cure II over the course of a fight.

Please don't misunderstand, from what I can tell you aren't directly arguing against the importance of healer dps. All I'm saying is your position of MP efficency trumping GCD efficency outside of a few niche situations is diametrically opposed to my view of maximising GCD efficency for the sake of contributing more DPS. They can't both exist as truths, I believe that you're incorrect here.