Seeing Square Enix in a new light. I am grateful for this game.

[Mizunoko]

I agree you will have to do bandaid fixes, But you don't keep that bandaid fix 2 + years, or even worse, keep putting new bandaid fixes on the original bandaid as time goes on, and never fixing the core.


bad kicks happen here too, just most of the time it happens near end or very end, much worse then doing it at the start since you wasted 15-25 mins. This game does nothing for such thing as well as far as preventive measures, you will see people doing it.



with very few being account wide? sorry wow does everything better that you commented on. (well not sure on class balancing for PvE, but WoW dev def does put more effort in PvP balancing then here)
The cost for emotes and retainers is very questionable.

Reminder:

Can you add more details on what games do better then FFXIV in y area? I only know of wow and ffxi, and ffxi doesn't really have a cash shop

Even so from my experience as a veteran who played since launch of 2.0 i have not once EVER had to deal with a bad kick ESPECIALLY for simply being new at something. Here in ffxiv the GM's actually do something about that stuff and for that simple reason i think the players don't abuse the system, and that is a lot more than can be said about tera from MY EXPERIENCE. Also from what iv'e seen it seems the in game community in this game is just much more mature. Don't forget the situation i just explained earlier is from a normal instance one that is randomly matched up. New players should not have to work just to find help to progress in the game and story because elitists are trying to build a perfect party IN A MATCHED INSTANCE. It's just absurd to me. Elitists are SUPPOSED to be the ones who build parties outside the matchmaker to get the perfect party they want. Not push new players aside just so they can be petty. Regardless of what game it is that is rude behavior to anyone and that is an undeniable fact to anyone who has the heart to acknowledge it for what it is.

[Vstarstruck]

Even so from my experience as a veteran who played since launch of 2.0 i have not once EVER had to deal with a bad kick ESPECIALLY for simply being new at something. Here in ffxiv the GM's actually do something about that stuff and for that simple reason i think the players don't abuse the system, and that is a lot more than can be said about tera from MY EXPERIENCE. Also from what iv'e seen it seems the in game community in this game is just much more mature. Don't forget the situation i just explained earlier is from a normal instance one that is randomly matched up. New players should not have towork just to find help to progress in the game and story because elitists are trying to build a perfect party IN A MATCHED INSTANCE. It's just absurd to me. Elitists are SUPPOSED to be the ones who build parties outside the matchmaker to get the perfect party they want. Not push new players aside just so they can be petty. Regardless of what game it is that is rude behavior to anyone and that is an undeniable fact to anyone who has the heart to acknowledge it for what it is.

Ironic cuz someone was complaining to me about a bad kick in sastasha, group of 2 vs group of 2 isn't fun, its whoever gets the proposal off first. (though to be fair the "losing side" did not think there was an issue)
Bad kicks happen everywhere, wow had the same problems, it is why you hear stories on people afraid to say they are new here because of experience from other games.
The real kicker in this latest story, the new tank in question did fulfilled the request that was made to them, and yet was kicked anyway.

Just because you never seen it happen, does not mean it never happens. (Yes I had my personal run-ins)

This goes back to what was said earlier, you can't just play one MMO, then act like FFXIV is the best MMO out there, just because of your experience in 1 MMO.

[Mizunoko]

Ironic cuz someone was complaining to me about a bad kick in sastasha, group of 2 vs group of 2 isn't fun, its whoever gets the proposal off first. (though to be fair the "losing side" did not think there was an issue)
Bad kicks happen everywhere, wow had the same problems, it is why you hear stories on people afraid to say they are new here because of experience from other games.
The real kicker in this latest story, the new tank in question did fulfilled the request that was made to them, and yet was kicked anyway.

Just because you never seen it happen, does not mean it never happens. (Yes I had my personal run-ins)

Never did i say it NEVER happens in general i CLEARLY stated "from MY EXPERIENCE" so your arguing with nothing over that. Not to mention as i never said it NEVER happens i do think it happens LESS in this game because people know they actually get in trouble for that behavior over here versus in tera, and unless you have real statistical evidence you can't really prove that incorrect, and as there is probably not any statistics on something that specific or that if there is its most likely square enix's private information. I highly doubt you can really prove me wrong on that front.

[KaldeaSahaline]

It saddens me they let that crap fly over in tera. I know here in ffxiv that would NOT and has NOT ever happened to me. The only justifiable time i could see it happening is if someone new joined a party finder that specifically said no newbies. Other wise the GM's over here in ff take that stuff very seriously and i love them for that.

Even so from my experience as a veteran who played since launch of 2.0 i have not once EVER had to deal with a bad kick ESPECIALLY for simply being new at something. Here in ffxiv the GM's actually do something about that stuff and for that simple reason i think the players don't abuse the system, and that is a lot more than can be said about tera from MY EXPERIENCE.

Just so you know, the GMs don't ban people for kicking you in FF14 either,for nearly any reason unless they actually verbally abused you (which you were not in TERA either). Everything else falls under the blanket "differing playstyles" and is a valid dismissal as such.

Elitists are SUPPOSED to be the ones who build parties outside the matchmaker to get the perfect party they want. Not push new players aside just so they can be petty. Regardless of what game it is that is rude behavior to anyone and that is an undeniable fact to anyone who has the heart to acknowledge it for what it is.

Regardless of how negative your experience was, it was a majority vote. The other random players felt that you being new was more of a burden to them, than the value in protecting your fragile innocence, otherwise the other party members would have voted to defend you.

I played WoW for nearly 14 years. I've never ONCE been kicked or seen a bad kick. Anecodtal evidence means nothing unfortunately, so while I appreciate you sharing with us, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about a game based on anecdotal isolated incidents.

[Vstarstruck]

Just so you know, the GMs don't ban people for kicking you in FF14 either,for nearly any reason unless they actually verbally abused you (which you were not in TERA either). Everything else falls under the blanket "differing playstyles" and is a valid dismissal as such.



Regardless of how negative your experience was, it was a majority vote. The other random players felt that you being new was more of a burden to them, than the value in protecting your fragile innocence, otherwise the other party members would have voted to defend you.

I played WoW for nearly 14 years. I've never ONCE been kicked or seen a bad kick. Anecodtal evidence means nothing unfortunately, so while I appreciate you sharing with us, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about a game based on anecdotal isolated incidents.

Ya, FFXIV's policies are a bit odd. You can get away with a lot, while on the other end if you curse you are suspended. They have to follow a strict list and it causes people to be suspended on the most petty acts while on the other hand people can get away with a LOT as long it is the right wording to fall outside the checklist.

[Redname]

I agree with you. People here havent experienced other games enough. i have been playing during years to free mmorpg... and i can say for sure, dont even try going there. They will press and torture you in all imaginable ways so you have to pay. Your game experience become a torture.
People say you cant consider ffxiv is the best mmorpg. Uh...its pretty much the truth. You can only really count mmorpg with subscription. I guess it depends of taste. But what are you going to play? Wow? FFXI? At least me i prefer this one by far

[KaldeaSahaline]

I agree with you. People here havent experienced other games enough. i have been playing during years to free mmorpg... and i can say for sure, dont even try going there. They will press and torture you in all imaginable ways so you have to pay. Your game experience become a torture.
People say you cant consider ffxiv is the best mmorpg. Uh...its pretty much the truth. You can only really count mmorpg with subscription. I guess it depends of taste. But what are you going to play? Wow? FFXI? At least me i prefer this one by far

I've experienced well over a dozen MMOs; sub, p2p, f2p, etc. over the course of nearly 14 years of gaming. I haven't been tortured yet...

Also you saying FF14 is the best sub-based MMO is not "the truth", it is an opinion. Many may share it, but it doesn't make it objectively true.

[Soupa]

Ya, FFXIV's policies are a bit odd. You can get away with a lot, while on the other end if you curse you are suspended. They have to follow a strict list and it causes people to be suspended on the most petty acts while on the other hand people can get away with a LOT as long it is the right wording to fall outside the checklist.

I curse all the time and have never been suspended.

[Vstarstruck]

I curse all the time and have never been suspended.

channel, context, and someone reporting you are also key. it is also pretty easy if parsers are involved.
(i/e it is a lot harder for them to act on linkshell/fc chats)