Seeing Square Enix in a new light. I am grateful for this game.

[Mizunoko]

I understand you are saying it could be worse. What I am against is praising them just because there is worse out there. As Vahlnir is saying (and fulling agreeing with again) you are making it sound like it is some goteir placement when it is far from.

I pay money, that is my appreciation for their work. However I could play more if I wanted to, more mog station items, more retainers, what have you, but since I feel on the short end, they are not getting that extra they can be getting from me. How they feel about that is on them. If they want to give us the bare minimum they can give while overcharging in the mog station, that is what they get from my wallet as well.


Note Vahnir said "sound" not that you said, I do agree with that, just the way you are talking, that is what it gets off. Basically (touching up a past idea in this post) You make it sound jsut because they are better then tera, they are the "god" where you found a new gratefulness for this game. Fine I guess but maybe try other MMOs that can run circles around both?

How something sounds to you and how something sounds to me when i write it is two separate things. If you misinterpreted me just like another person here that is on you not me. As for your statement, i never disagreed with you in general so i don't really understand why your trying to conflict with me about anything if there's no disagreement on my part. I never said SE couldn't do better or that they were the best. Nowhere in my wording in this thread is anything like that. Besides all that whether i make it "sound" like they are a god or not doesn't even matter because its all just my own opinion. Arguing with my opinion is just about as productive as sitting on a couch and doing nothing all day. Instead of replying back at each other about every opinion we hate each other has wouldn't it be nicer if we could find middle ground and just keep things in a positive light, rather than paint things in a childish manner. I'm open to being friends with you and everyone else here, what i am not open to is finding enemies and harassing each other over pointless things. In a thread i created to simply show my "personal appreciation" as i never once stated i spoke for others.

[Vahlnir]

Instead of replying back at each other about every opinion we hate each other has wouldn't it be nicer if we could find middle ground and just keep things in a positive light, rather than paint things in a childish manner. I'm open to being friends with you and everyone else here, what i am not open to is finding enemies and harassing each other over pointless things.

Everyone has the right to their own opinions. No one can tell them that it's right or wrong. This forum also provides an avenue where we can all get together and talk about the game. Whether we agree or not, it's entirely subjective based on one's personal experiences and tastes. That's fine, it truly is.

My sole intention is to make sure you have a bit more of an understanding. Opinions, like the game, are also subject to criticism, and there can be flaws. I only wished to address those flaws for your betterment. I'm not trying to make enemies, nor am I harassing anyone. I just want to point you in the right direction, that's all. Nothing more.

I love the game, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I'm not oblivious to its flaws, and can rightfully compare it to other MMOs because I've been around the block way more than once. Your positivity is welcome, regardless. I respect positivity around here, within reason. Your personal experience is yours, and yours alone. No one can take that away from you.

[Aerlana]

as i said earlier. The matter is not if there is worse. You can always find worse.
But even when WoW was the unbeatable, with this spike of 12m sub, we could find things better in other games. WoW was just "globally" the best. (not each part was best, but when they are combined it became the best)


There is always worse. yes. But does it matter? Because there is worse elsewhere we could be happy?
It seems like "the game get many flaws, too much probably, but hey. it could be even worse, so should be happy".
i prefer "The game is really good, so many wonderfull things, but hey... some other games are doing some part better, game need to improve"

You speak about Tera, many there know how much this game get some flaws, with a quite interesting basis. And i dont know if you are NA or Europe, but there, we have gameforge... it is a good reason to say "it smells bad" for those who knows what gameforge is...
And you say "Hey, finally, i did test this shitty game, we can be happy with FFXIV"
ok... but what about some things WoW, BnS, SWTOR, or GW2 (and so many others) can do better than FFXIV? Did you test more MMORPG than only tera? you know, there is worse than tera : Neverwinter Online (at least in my opinion).

And we speak about a Numbered Final Fantasy. You would say "hey, FFXV is not so good but, you know, this random J-RPG from unknown devs is worst" ? no... FF HAVE TO BE a "top game" it is the least this name deserve now.

FFXIV is a good game. When i came in 2013 i really hoped a better way, and even if now this game makes me angry, he stays a good one. Even if Yoshida avoid many question that need answers, the game is good. But, GW2 is a good game also. with good and bad part. And in some part it is really better than FFXIV.

Play more MMORPG, go try more and more MMORPG, FFXIV is casual² game. one of the most casual MMORPG i played (if not the most...) So you can easly have time to test others. Do it. And you can understand how much tera is really bad, how much FFXIV could be improved. And dont forget to consider one is sub MMORPG and most others are not (so... not same expectation)

[Mizunoko]

Everyone has the right to their own opinions. No one can tell them that it's right or wrong. This forum also provides an avenue where we can all get together and talk about the game. Whether we agree or not, it's entirely subjective based on one's personal experiences and tastes. That's fine, it truly is.

My sole intention is to make sure you have a bit more of an understanding. Opinions, like the game, are also subject to criticism, and there can be flaws. I only wished to address those flaws for your betterment. I'm not trying to make enemies, nor am I harassing anyone. I just want to point you in the right direction, that's all. Nothing more.

I love the game, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I'm not oblivious to its flaws, and can rightfully compare it to other MMOs because I've been around the block way more than once.

That is completely okay with me, I only replied with counters simply to state my mind nothing more. Mostly anything i said was to correct peoples misinterpretations of what i was trying to get across with my wording. To be completely honest i actually have 0 disagreements with anyone in this thread so far. While our views might be slightly different so far everyone seems to be mature and that is what i was hoping to keep as this thread goes forward. I just didn't want to see what is supposed to be a simple appreciation thread turn into something negative just because some people out there never have anything nice to say or productive and mature to contribute.

[Mizunoko]

And dont forget to consider one is sub MMORPG and most others are not (so... not same expectation)

I don't really think that just because one is sub and one isn't that you can argue that the expectations of tera should not be as high as a subbed mmo. Basically using that argument means your saying their success and how competent the dev team is should be dependent on the company's profits, In which case even if that were the right way to view it you would need some sort of statistics stating tera makes a lot less profit than square enix. While i'm sure square enix does make more i just don't feel like this is the right way to make your case. Regardless of profit a dev team should always try to satisfy it's customers. I don't think anyone in this world who pays hard earned money for a product wants to know that they worked less hard on said product simply because they are in game store based profit versus monthly payments. My view on tera is the same as some people is on final fantasy 14 in that there is no reason they cannot try to do better by their customers. As goes for all corporations out there. We as customers have a right to make sure we are getting our moneys worth, and its my PERSONAL OPINION that enmasse/bluehole failed to deliver on that.

[Vstarstruck]

Everyone has the right to their own opinions. No one can tell them that it's right or wrong. This forum also provides an avenue where we can all get together and talk about the game. Whether we agree or not, it's entirely subjective based on one's personal experiences and tastes. That's fine, it truly is.

My sole intention is to make sure you have a bit more of an understanding. Opinions, like the game, are also subject to criticism, and there can be flaws. I only wished to address those flaws for your betterment. I'm not trying to make enemies, nor am I harassing anyone. I just want to point you in the right direction, that's all. Nothing more.

I love the game, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I'm not oblivious to its flaws, and can rightfully compare it to other MMOs because I've been around the block way more than once. Your positivity is welcome, regardless. I respect positivity around here, within reason. Your personal experience is yours, and yours alone. No one can take that away from you.

same what i was doing

I don't really think that just because one is sub and one isn't that you can argue that the expectations of tera should not be as high as a subbed mmo. Basically using that argument means your saying their success and how competent the dev team is should be dependent on the company's profits, In which case even if that were the right way to view it you would need some sort of statistics stating tera makes a lot less profit than square enix.

that is correct, f2p needs to be stop being ptw in general, and that is no excuse to have the game literally unplayable

that is another thing we can criticize SE for, they do not put enough money back in the game, it is pretty clear they don't from the results we see. So this will skew their profit margins larger then what it should be. (It is likely they would make more money if they put more money in the game, as that should logically attract more people to play and stay, not routinely sub and unsub.) This might sound confusing but note profit margins are different then how much total profit you get, given the right situations, you can have smaller profit margins compared to another situation, but more total money made. I feel it is from SE falling into the trap of Better benefit now, vs a better outcome in the future. (I/e relying on bandaid fixes without making a real fix)

[Hestzhyen]

I feel it is from SE falling into the trap of Better benefit now, vs a better outcome in the future. (I/e relying on bandaid fixes without making a real fix)

Well, that's a tough decision to make. I directly support some critical large systems used by millions of people at a time- you can't just go in and make improvements when you think there's a good opportunity. Changes - even no-brainer upgrades! - must be carefully considered, thought out, and tested if possible. Any hiccup or (God forbid) failure impacts thousands of people at a minimum, causing all kinds of financial and reputational harm. I don't envy the people who have to sign off on improvements to these systems in the slightest (though I'm super grateful they sign off on the changes I initiate of course :P). I imagine that SE does the best they can with band-aid fixes and performs the major risky changes during expansion launches- that's a long time to go when there's a pain point that your customers harp on about, but the risk of fixing it could make the wait preferable. The extra testing time is invaluable, you don't risk destabilizing your current codebase unexpectedly, and you don't waste players' sub time by having frequent outages. /IT rant over

I love this game, no lie. And I complain because I see how things could be better. I want to be able to steal my friend away from WoW into XIV, I want my SO to play more often than major content drops, I want to keep having fun and enjoying my time in Eorzea. Lately I have become very worried that I won't be able to even justify my own sub because SE seems to be too cautious or unwilling to change. SB should have tried to do more than be ARR v3 in my opinion. I'm glad there are people like OP who love the game too and find no or few flaws. I was like that when I started the game... everything was new and wonderful. Now that I've been here for 4+ years I want to see the game work on being better. It will never be "perfect" but it can be closer to that ideal than it currently is.

[Sylvina]

I've played some truly bad MMOs, one of them just becuase it had the best character customization, but was for all intents and purposes dead and in maintenance mode, so I can see how good FFXIV is in comparison, even if its customization is bad in comparison everything else outweighs that.

[K1tt]

I've been playing ff14 for 3 years now. I originally played dcuo (from beta) and it was so toxic and the customer service and gm help was so poor that 14 seems like a walk in the park by comparison. I see people in game complain about stuff that seems trivial by comparison to my experiences there and often think to myself 'you don't realise how good you have it here' quite often.

[Sylvina]

I've been playing ff14 for 3 years now. I originally played dcuo (from beta) and it was so toxic and the customer service and gm help was so poor that 14 seems like a walk in the park by comparison. I see people in game complain about stuff that seems trivial by comparison to my experiences there and often think to myself 'you don't realise how good you have it here' quite often.

Completely agreed there. I've seen what real dead games are and it gets much worse than DCUO.