Seeing Square Enix in a new light. I am grateful for this game.

[JackHatchet]

There is kill stealing so you have to compete for everything in the game.

Having played Warcraft with shared mob-tagging and then coming to Eureka where you don't get jack for credit unless you tag it--made me absolutely hate FFXIV and think that the game was terribly backwater and ghetto. God, does WoW do world quests so much better than Eureka is as content.

[Canadane]

To be fair, when FFXIV launched it wasn't exactly the most playable game.

[JackHatchet]

Yes i think that is exactly what it is about with Square. They have standards and don't stoop to dirty tactics and things that other mmo's do to make that extra dollar. It's those standards that make me feel like a premium among people who play other mmo's because i chose Square Enix.

They're constantly introducing more and more mog station items and at high-rates. If they had stayed at a stable rate instead of jacking up emote prices from 2 bucks to 7 to 12 then eh. But I think that's dirty to push their limits like that. And hell, people have been saying that the fancy 12 dollar emote isn't even new. It's just the summoner LB3.

[Aerlana]

To be fair, when FFXIV launched it wasn't exactly the most playable game.

*remember the september 2013*
i dont see what you are speaking about

[Shihen]

Why any threads that's not pessimistic about the direction of the game must be labeled as one defending the company in the first place?

The reception would probably be a little lighter if the main post was framed around the direction of the game. It's rubbing some people the wrong way because the praise is in comparison to a company that did worse. It's like one guy gave you some hot cocoa and put you to sleep with a weather report, another stole your wallet, then you thank the first one for not stealing your wallet. The cocoa was great and all, but he bought it with your money and you shouldn't be thanking him for not robbing you because that's kind of expected.

Not that it isn't still a nice gesture. I see where OP is coming from and I'm sure the devs will appreciate the kind words, but I see where the negative is coming from too.

[Mizunoko]

The reception would probably be a little lighter if the main post was framed around the direction of the game. It's rubbing some people the wrong way because the praise is in comparison to a company that did worse. It's like one guy gave you some hot cocoa and put you to sleep with a weather report, another stole your wallet, then you thank the first one for not stealing your wallet. The cocoa was great and all, but he bought it with your money and you shouldn't be thanking him for not robbing you because that's kind of expected.

Not that it isn't still a nice gesture. I see where OP is coming from and I'm sure the devs will appreciate the kind words, but I see where the negative is coming from too.

Even the people who are rubbed the wrong way should have the common sense to realize the intention of my post was not to do that. If they are going to say something negative they were going to do it anyway it's just how the forum is these days. There's this side and that side and no one can ever see the middle ground. I myself feel i got my message across exactly how i wanted and if anyone has a problem with that then i say just let them act the way they do because its not going to change anything i posted because i am the only person who can edit what i say. My message stands even if people want to try to twist it into something offensive or negative. So i will just let them paint themselves in a bad light, no need to stoop to their level and join them. When i started making this post i already figured there would be people trying to twist things or argue and turn things negative instead of simply seeing it for what it is. My personal appreciation for something i like. If people think otherwise and are sincere and mature about it that is okay with me, but when people start to troll or act like a child that's the stuff i don't go near anymore because all it ends up as is a trade of constant argumentative replies that turns the thread into something dreary and stupid. So i myself will only reply to anyone who wants to be mature about things.

[Vahlnir]

My message stands even if people want to try to twist it into something offensive or negative. So i will just let them be and paint themselves in a bad light, no need to stoop to their level and join them.

You clearly meant well, and I commend you for that, but I do think you need to have a bit more experience with MMOs in general before you begin making your comparisons. You basically made it sound like XIV was a god walking amongst mere mortals. It's not. It is imperfect like everything else, and therefore prone to criticism. Is it better than some? Yes. Is it THE best? Far from it.

[Mizunoko]

You clearly meant well, and I commend you for that, but I do think you need to have a bit more experience with MMOs in general before you begin making your comparisons. You basically made it sound like XIV was a god walking amongst mere mortals. It's not. It is imperfect like everything else, and therefore prone to criticism. Is it better than some? Yes. Is it THE best? Far from it.

I never said that it was a god among other mmo's don't forget this is all my personal experience. I don't speak for others, so take it as you do. To me personally i love the game. You may disagree and i never tried to invalidate your opinion. All i have ever done was state my own opinions and knowledge as i see it. I don't want to turn this thread into one of those threads where people just constantly argue. I want to state my appreciation for something i love and leave it at that. If other people want to do the same in this thread whether they agree or disagree with my views i still welcome them, so long as they are mature about it and do not act like a 2 year old or start harassing me or any others. Because if people want to act kiddish or harass me over simply stating my appreciation for something i like, well i don't even need to say anything in return because they have already painted themselves in a bad light at that point. As far as a rebuttal to your argument of whether it is the best or not i can not tell you that as it is dependent to each persons opinions. The only way you can argue if it is the best or not is by showing some form of statistics whether it be subscriptions or population or overall satisfaction of the entire player base. Although again i never said it was the best and i'm not going to argue about it simply because someone misinterpreted what i said. Everything i have said is my own personal opinion i never claimed anything to be official over all. So people can argue all they want, but all that is going to do is get them no where since all they are arguing with is a nonexistent figment they misinterpreted as some sort of one sided official statistic.

[Remedi]

Having played Warcraft with shared mob-tagging and then coming to Eureka where you don't get jack for credit unless you tag it--made me absolutely hate FFXIV and think that the game was terribly backwater and ghetto. God, does WoW do world quests so much better than Eureka is as content.

It's not really tag based it's contribution based aka you need to do a certian amount of dmg to the enemy to get credit even if you have the tag

[Vstarstruck]

I'm not saying they are invulnerable to any criticism nor am i defending square enix. The whole point of this thread was to give my appreciation on what they have accomplished so far. I won't disagree with you that they could strive for even better greatness as a game. What i'm saying is not to defend square enix. I am simply voicing myself of my experience that it COULD be worse and that i am happy it's not. As for any current issues ffxiv itself has yes i'm sure they could do a better job and fix those. I myself have felt that way before, for example take the mass people dc'ing in eureka issue that was never attended to. To a lot of people who had that issue it WAS a big deal and we all felt it just got brushed aside for more minor things. But this is getting off track. Again this is neither to defend SE from actual constructive criticism or to claim that they are the best around. It is simply to offer my appreciation for the work they have done thus far to at the least make this game something i enjoyed in comparison to other games i have tried. It makes it feel like i will always have a base mmo/home to come to if i don't like anything else.

I understand you are saying it could be worse. What I am against is praising them just because there is worse out there. As Vahlnir is saying (and fulling agreeing with again) you are making it sound like it is some goteir placement when it is far from.

I pay money, that is my appreciation for their work. However I could play more if I wanted to, more mog station items, more retainers, what have you, but since I feel on the short end, they are not getting that extra they can be getting from me. How they feel about that is on them. If they want to give us the bare minimum they can give while overcharging in the mog station, that is what they get from my wallet as well.

I never said that it was a god among other mmo's.

Note Vahnir said "sound" not that you said, I do agree with that, just the way you are talking, that is what it gets off. Basically (touching up a past idea in this post) You make it sound jsut because they are better then tera, they are the "god" where you found a new gratefulness for this game. Fine I guess but maybe try other MMOs that can run circles around both?

Sure it could be worse, I doubt I be playing at all if it was.