Next Eureka installment - please vastly reduce NM xp.

[alimdia]

The content lasted a week if you zerged it just like all content if you zerg it.

Idk man, plenty of people with a full time job finished in a week or two. The train made leveling not an issue, and by the time you hit 20 in a train you have enough crystals for 5-6 anemos weapons, needing only to kill Pazuzu to finish Eureka unless you want to farm gear for alts.

The only way to make Eureka last 2 months is if you only play 20 mins a day.

[Tridus]

If a game is going to have a 3-4 month gap between patches, the content should be designed to last that long.

And the people that don't play as often would fall hopelessly behind as for them it becomes a 4 month godawful grind.

[HyoMinPark]

I think what you're getting at is actually a separate discussion, at least by my way of thinking. There's balance between styles (which is currently heavily skewed toward FATE trains), and then there's overall grind balance. You seem to be having more of an issue with the overall grind balance, which is made less onerous by a pseudo-exploitative method of play that nets rewards far faster than what appears to be the intended play style. What I'd rather see is the FATE train brought back down to earth relative to the monster chaining, and maybe have both of them sped up a little bit, along with some tweaks to eliminate kill-stealing (personally, I think whoever claimed a monster should get the full XP, but that's just me).

Not really, no. OP wants to enforce an intended playstyle on the playerbase, either out of an "this is how it's supposed to be done/intended by the developers" mindset, or a "I dislike the FATE train, so they should remove it entirely" mindset. I disagree with such thinking.

The entire point of my post was to address that people should stop trying to enforce 1 style of play (Chain-parties) on the rest of the playerbase. Especially since there is absolutely nothing stopping those who do not enjoy the FATE train from leveling "the intended way". So why remove the FATE train options from others, when Chain-parties still have their option in the current stage of the content? It's basically the FATE train haters wanting the rest to conform to their idea of fun, or their idea of how things should be done.

My personal perception of "Chain-parties are slow and boring" serves to give OP (and people who share his opinions) an insight into why people who do the FATE train prefer it (speed/boring aspect of "the intended method"), and why they should not force the way they want the content to be played on others (some would just not do it because it's that boring). I have issues with the balance between the two, yes, but my main point was stop trying to force an intended style of play on the playerbase just because you (general you) prefer it/think it's the "intended way to do things".

[BluexBird]

They need to add something that you can do daily, and gives you a large amount of EXP. That way, people who don't have a lot of time to play can just log in, do the daily, and keep repeating that until they're done over the course of a couple of months.

Also, I'm tired of people saying this content is fun. Look at yourselves. How low can the standards GET, if you believe spending over 50 hours (YES, IT'S THAT LONG, CUT THE BULLSHIT) to get some new glamour items is fun? If you actually thought Eureka was fun, then how come you never see people in the open world killing monsters aside from hunt marks? Stop deluding yourselves. This content is trash, and the more we can do to make it less agonizing, the better. Suggesting to get rid of one of the only things that actually makes the grind SOMEWHAT bareable, is just plain dumb.

"Oh but I like chain EXP trains!" The year is 2018. Game corporations have successfully managed to put certain members of the population to do something that requires zero thought, over a large span of time, and convince them that it's actually fun.

If at least the combat in this game was one of its strong points, then perhaps they could pass this off as fun. But when you have a 2-second global cooldown, please don't try pretending that grinding monsters is anywhere close to fun.

[HyoMinPark]

Also, I'm tired of people saying this content is fun. Look at yourselves. How low can the standards GET, if you believe spending over 50 hours (YES, IT'S THAT LONG, CUT THE BULLSHIT) to get some new glamour items is fun? If you actually thought Eureka was fun, then how come you never see people in the open world killing monsters aside from hunt marks? Stop deluding yourselves. This content is trash, and the more we can do to make it less agonizing, the better. Suggesting to get rid of one of the only things that actually makes the grind SOMEWHAT bareable, is just plain dumb.

"Oh but I like chain EXP trains!" The year is 2018. Game corporations have successfully managed to put certain members of the population to do something that requires zero thought, over a large span of time, and convince them that it's actually fun.

Eh, what's fun is subjective, and varies between individuals. Just because Timmy doesn't think Eureka is fun, doesn't mean Jimmy doesn't love it. I have a friend who absolutely loves the content. I, meanwhile, intend to get my weapons, maybe a few pieces of dyeable AF for Glamour, and then never do it again. Subjective.

[alimdia]

I do think the content is more tolerable (in a positive way) than fun, as in the fun part is the community interaction rather than the content itself, because I don't see anyone overjoyed when the timer hits 25 mins and Hazmat still hasn't spawned. That said, Yoshida recently mentioned that both Diadem and Eureka are a playground to experiment with new types of content, and the next Eureka map will also see a change of focus in gameplay, including what seem to be like missions (quests?).

[Fynlar]

Honestly, the rewards are acquired far too quickly.

This isn't savage level gear here. The acquisition rate is fine.

350/355 gear is honestly already on its way out at this point in the game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Personally, I think SE ought to at least incentivize steady progression rather than zerging. They've very rarely done this in regards with Relics; I think this has been a mistake. Suppose, for instance, that Eureka had incorporated Daily and Weekly quests, the completion of which would put someone squarely on track to have a full armour / weapon upgrade within, say, 12 weeks. Then suppose that the standard, non-quest progress was scaled so that, discounting quests, a full armour / weapon upgrade would take about 150-200 hours. Would people still manage to have their Relics within a couple of weeks? Yeah, sure, some would - but most players would be far more content to absorb the content more slowly, extending its lifespan.

Considering Eureka is essentially an AFK grind fest. They would require a lot of Daily/Weekly quests to keep people invested long-term. What keeps doing back at the moment is the overall ease of rewards, especially due to how low the ilvl is. If the grind for a single set outside these quests took a month of six hours per day grinding, Eureka wouldn't make it into week three. Look at the initial reception before everyone discovered NMs. There was near universal scorn at the prospect of how long the grind took if you were only killing mobs.

[Yellow]

As much as I enjoy grinding on monsters, unfortunately it doesn't suit this game's combat.

I used to really enjoy monster parties back in 1.23, but that's because we didn't have to mash a rotation constantly. It was slower, we had time to chat, and it was less intense. I think it would be better to have more NMs - the focus should be spawning NMs and chaining NMs for exp. Give us more creative NMs because that's what FFXIV is designed around.

Grinding in Eureka was so awful.

[Lord_Zlatan]

The NM train is the only way to make the grind bearable though.

well, in its current state yes. But whos to say that a more fleshed out system that isnt reliant on one sole way of levelling wouldnt be better?