Healing responsibilities after 1.20

[grandm]

my thoughts and i am speculating like every1 else, CON = high magic healing potency, not sure how base stats or traits at a guess. THM = high magic damage potency, i bet a THM casting a CON's nukes will do more damge, as spells work off the stat i just mentioned, so in this case CON would be wasting its MP to cast its nukes in a group as others have already stated, and THM will have place as a straight up DD. also i would be very surprised if WHM didn't lose its nukes when you put the job stone in, we have been told class can solo but job can't, if WHM didn't lose its nukes there would be nothing stopping it solo'ing

[Junpei]

my thoughts and i am speculating like every1 else, CON = high magic healing potency, not sure how base stats or traits at a guess. THM = high magic damage potency, i bet a THM casting a CON's nukes will do more damge, as spells work off the stat i just mentioned, so in this case CON would be wasting its MP to cast its nukes in a group as others have already stated, and THM will have place as a straight up DD. also i would be very surprised if WHM didn't lose its nukes when you put the job stone in, we have been told class can solo but job can't, if WHM didn't lose its nukes there would be nothing stopping it solo'ing

They said you would be limited to classes skills, i cant see them losing the skills when equipping the job stone but i can definitely see a massively diminished effect of nuking alongside a greatly enforced healing skill.

Much in the same way paladin is going to haveto sacrifice some of HP and STR in order to garner the largest defensive stats.

[grandm]

They said you would be limited to classes skills, i cant see them losing the skills when equipping the job stone but i can definitely see a massively diminished effect of nuking alongside a greatly enforced healing skill.

Much in the same way paladin is going to haveto sacrifice some of HP and STR in order to garner the largest defensive stats.

it don't really matter if they take the nukes away or just make them near useless, i can't see WHM ever using nukes

[TinnySnips]

it don't really matter if they take the nukes away or just make them near useless, i can't see WHM ever using nukes

Unless the point of using them is not the damage they do, but increasing the damage potential of the party by increasing DMG and ACC against the target.

[grandm]

Unless the point of using them is not the damage they do, but increasing the damage potential of the party by increasing DMG and ACC against the target.

maybe, i can't say i thought of that, but in any case it seems to me this would be minor sub job for the WHM to do at the very beginning of a long boss battle. and by no means the primary focus of WHM, it one of them things that will be helpful if it hit but i don't think it would be the difference between life or death. nor do i think it really makes much of a difference to the OPs concerns on how to set up his CON with materia, primary job healing that is your only real concern

[TinnySnips]

maybe, i can't say i thought of that, but in any case it seems to me this would be minor sub job for the WHM to do at the very beginning of a long boss battle. and by no means the primary focus of WHM, it one of them things that will be helpful if it hit but i don't think it would be the difference between life or death. nor do i think it really makes much of a difference to the OPs concerns on how to set up his CON with materia, primary job healing that is your only real concern

Totally agree. Healing is job 1, and if the situation allows it then you add this in. However, I can see trying to keep the debuff on mobs as a CON. I know that it will be one of the first things I try.

[Sephrick]

maybe, i can't say i thought of that, but in any case it seems to me this would be minor sub job for the WHM to do at the very beginning of a long boss battle. and by no means the primary focus of WHM, it one of them things that will be helpful if it hit but i don't think it would be the difference between life or death. nor do i think it really makes much of a difference to the OPs concerns on how to set up his CON with materia, primary job healing that is your only real concern

My point was, how healing is distributed will affect how everyone gears their character.

I think the discussion in this thread has been great so far and is evidence that SE should at least tell us what their concept is. The whole thing won't come to fruition until jobs are implemented. But in the months till then, it's be nice to invest my time in materia properly.

Will my LNC need to load up on acc, or can I add some crit potency and str? Should my CNJ bother with magic potency/accuracy, or should I load up on MP and enmity-?

Materia is meant to take a long time, so I think it'd be great to be able to not waste the next few months of working on it while we wait for these battle redesigns to be fully realized.

I know some are writing it off as "the nukes are for soloing" but the debuffs obviously were intended for a party situation. But taking the time to combo spells will cause a rough situation unless Cnj only had to heal the target of the mob.

CNJ not needing to Cure bomb the whole party is evident in all the healing abilities and HoT and regen effects.

To me, it seems like a good party after 1.20 won't need the kind of cure spam they do now. But that's only if everyone does their part. If everyone does, then Cnj can do their part in boosting acc and/or dmg.

I guess it really boils down to what someone else said: cost, potency and proc rate vs the value of ignoring the whole thing and cure spamming.