New 12 dollar emote should have been a Eureka reward!

[Mikki]

Saying things like "it should have... " and "SE is greedy" are childish though. Don't be surprised when a company tries to make money and don't expect them to give things away for free just because you don't want to pay for them.

You have to consider the factors here, though. SE is touting the fact that this is one of the most subbed MMOs. They charge $15 per month from most of the player base. On top of this, if you want additional retainers you have to pay monthly for this as well and I can tell you that almost any serious crafter on this game will get some additional retainers. If you get several, it literally DOUBLES your monthly sub. Any in-game past event item is chucked into the mogstation, which honestly should reappear during events as it used to in the past. As I see you've been around for awhile, surely you recall a time when events used to have items from past events for sale at the seasonal merchants. Why not keep doing this? When the event comes back, you get a chance to get the item for free. If you don't wish to wait, you can buy it on the mogstation. I'm sure people who aren't patient would do so.

On top of this, they spend time making resources for the mogstation when there are fundamental problems in the game that need addressing, which in most people's opinions should take absolute priority. Things that haven't been solved in YEARS. Such as the fact that bosses disappear in large scale open world events like FATES. They then price these items way higher than any other cash shop I've seen from a subbed game and with all that extra cash they're making, we barely see any improvements. I mean.... we only JUST got an inventory increase with stack sizes being brought up to 999, something people have been asking for...for years. Something that, with the item bloat in this game, is honestly necessary. Especially if you want to level every crafter, hoooo boy! Not to mention, they do little to nothing about botters which they should have the staff to deal with. Most other games don't have a botting problem to such a degree because people actually get punished. Our "new" content is just more of the same and they don't even take time to increase the standards of things like graphics or cutscenes.

Look, I love ffxiv. Otherwise I wouldn't still be here. I respect that the devs are working hard, I'm not saying they aren't. But for the amount of money this game undoubtedly makes, they aren't putting the money and resources back into it. Yes, they are to some degree. But considering the AMOUNT they make it just isn't adding up especially when compared to its competitors and what they do with what budget they get. Final Fantasy is SE's cash cow. They know it. They will milk it and they do. To defend them in this.. well, you can do it if you want to. But to call other people childish for pointing this out when they have perfectly valid reason to do so is also pretty "childish".

I never said they should give things away for free, but their prices ARE high for a sub game. They are abusing their player base, lets not sugar coat it. If they were actually putting a majority of that money back into the game in a way that we end users could actually see and it was really monumental, then I'd have no problem with the prices. At all. And yeah, any business is going to want to make money. But it doesn't change the fact that a business working the way SE right now is, is not good to its customers. But we still support them. We just ask for change. Nothing wrong with that.

[basketofseals]

Thing that costs money should have been free

I don't know why people make these threads. Most people aren't going to disagree with this.

You could be talking about a can of haggis, and people would still like it free.

[Ilyrian]

Saying things like "it should have... " and "SE is greedy" are childish though. Don't be surprised when a company tries to make money and don't expect them to give things away for free just because you don't want to pay for them.

I do agree with you but I'm more and more torn about this.
I have no problem with SE wanting to make money - they provide me with something I am willing to pay for.
But I, for whatever reason, still have a huge hang-up about paying for extra retainers. I just won't do it out of principal - a principal that I realize has probably no relevance to it.
The $12 for an emote is really pushing it imo - it's not something I would buy but I know many have and that's fine. My issue is the arbitrary nature of this pricing. $12 is cool but, say, $25 wouldn't be? Where does it end? Or even start tbh.
I'm a complete hypocrite as I bought Snow's Jacket from the store - so yeah, idk anymore. I'm not buying retainers though - my bags are full SE - FULL IN PROTEST!!

[Aerlana]

You can find me childish, formyself, i am just saying what was done before can exist now.
MMORPG was sub with not any kind of cash shop, there was great MMORPG like this, somme MMORPG that created communities (DAOC was the place where many multigaming guild/clans were created for example) MMORPG that, before FFXI, WoW, GW, began to create the rules of MMORPG.


FFXI never needed a cash shop
WoW never needed it... until Activision came in the dance. and wasnt early... 5 years without cash shop.

Making game is more expensive now? I would prefer the FFXIV sub get 2, 3 or 4 more euros and NO cash shop.


FFXIV did live quite well 1 year without cash shop. The game did improve in one year, and SE was able to make really good profits WITHOUT cash shop.
Now after 3 and half year, we have a 700 euros cash shop (around 1000 dollars so? ) and i didnt count wedding, tinctures or vendor. We get now a nearly monthly update on cash shop. With even more exclusivities... Where i could play everquest, paying my sub and could have anything in the game without spending anymore money.

Dont care the "only aesthetic, if you dont want, dont buy"... This basic brainless answer is a prouf people doesnt even want to understand how things works. And it is people that gladly repeat what the companies tell them... like if companies where there to be our friends... SE, Activision, EA, and all other are not our friends. they are the publisher, we are customers. No friendly relations

If SE, if Yoshida, decides to add a way (with hard farm) to get cash shop stuff for 0 euros/dollars, i wouldnt speak about glory of cash shop, but would really less angry against it.
Ok ok, gettinghard farm to have anything is not fun. but it doesnt get anything of those who prefer the fast way with cash shop. Fast way with money, long and farm way for those who doesnt want to spend. Where is the matter?

[Zojha]

Where does it end? Or even start tbh.

I can tell you where it starts: At the point where you need to cover your production cost.

Nobody can ever produce anything without covering their costs for long, so that's the minimum price you have to ask.

Above that, it's pretty much open ended and for digital goods with no production cost beyond the initial creation, frankly, the mog station prices are utter rip-offs. All of them. If you pay a dev 70$ per hour (dream on) and he takes a full 40 hour working week just for that ONE item, that one item will have cost 2800 bucks to be made and from then on, can be copied and pasted at next to zero cost almost infinitely.
As such, the costs already amortize if there are 1400 sales at 2$ each, any bit more is profit. At 12 bucks, 234 sales suffice and you're in the green. And that's sales, not people - People who buy things multiple times count multiple times towards that goalpost. They're probably already making profits within the first minutes of putting stuff up for sale.

If they're as rational as economic theory alleges people are, they'll keep cranking up prices arbitrarily until they hit the point where the curve of sales x price per piece reaches its maximum. At that point, reducing prices to get more sales gives them less overall and increasing prices hurts sales enough that they get less overall as well, so there's no reason to move. That would be the end.

Personally, I like to think that a lot of game publishers (I don't think this kind of thing comes from the developers, they got their minds full of other things) would love to discontinue the games entirely to focus full time on their cash shops. It just doesn't work.

[347SPECTRE]

I'd rather pay 12 bucks than have to go into Eureka for it.

[Usho]

$12 for a emote is stupid and just pure greed imo. The megaflare emote is nice and all, but i see it spammed a little too much and its becoming annoying now. *sigh*

[Avatre]

$12 for a emote is stupid and just pure greed imo. The megaflare emote is nice and all, but i see it spammed a little too much and its becoming annoying now. *sigh*

The hype of people spamming it will die off...eventually.

[Okamimaru]

Yes you pay for a subscription... so does everyone else... it's like going to a gym where you get a membership like everyone else and they have a shop that sells work out clothes... are you gonna get pissed that they sell a product related to their business thats not part of your membetship? There isn't anything sold in the shop that gives another player and advantage over another (retainers are rented on the mogstation as an additional service like name changes and server transfers not in the shop like emotes minions and mounts)... it would be a different story if the gear was bis and/or came from rng loot boxes...

[Ilyrian]

Yes you pay for a subscription... so does everyone else... it's like going to a gym where you get a membership like everyone else and they have a shop that sells work out clothes... are you gonna get pissed that they sell a product related to their business thats not part of your membetship? There isn't anything sold in the shop that gives another player and advantage over another (retainers are rented on the mogstation as an additional service like name changes and server transfers not in the shop like emotes minions and mounts)... it would be a different story if the gear was bis and/or came from rng loot boxes...

I think the argument is that it (using your analogy) should be part of the membership in the first place.