AST needs an extra instant cast damage spell

[Heilstos]

Wasn't Stella removed because it was trash? During HW I don't think there was ever any reason to use Stella outside inflicting Heavy. I suppose if AST had it now, even at it's awful 100 potency, they could still use it for weaving? Still pretty weak and terrible.

Hey VanilleFang,

Befor Patch 4.2 I had the same Idea with Stella as Instand cast. Like this :



On reddit an user wrote something about my idea:

At.. 2.5 GCD, Malefic 3 is 220/2.5 = 88 potency/s, animation lock I think is around.. 0.75 (I believe latency might affect the total animation lock though, double weaving the draw + something else feels pretty bad)

If you just clip your dot and cut the Malefic, over the course of 2 mins (where you could end up weaving 13 times in full offense, partly due to Redraw, and 3 EDs used), ends up with only needing at least 102.5 potency (at 0ms delay, value only drops from there, down to 94.11 at 80ms) on Stella to make it worth it. (150 potency is around a 3% dps increase or so, 137 is a 2% increase or so, 170 potency is a 4.44% increase or so)

From the user "AbyssArray"

Link: A small idea that would make playing AST a little more fluid.

So 100 DP is okay. If you want more to make it better than we can make it to 102,5 DP :P

I like to see that the Stella reborn wishes are there. I can understand Lin Kreiss. The Ast have much OGCDs and to less instands to compensate this card system.

And to Tanathya:

Give everyone else more insta-heals? There's balance for you.

In this case, nothing is wrong. If you ask why, I can explain it.^^

At Level 70 "Aspected Benefic" costs 1440 mana. If you compare this now with Helios, you will quickly notice that an instant spell costs exactly as much as an AoE heal.

You do not want to spam this heal, because you mess up your whole mana. SE made a great Job here, balance with Manacosts. -> Thanks to nocturnal shield Buff at the start from stormblood...
More shield = much more Manacosts :P
In the Time of HW "Aspected Benefic" cost 1/3 like it is now.

[Tanathya]

And to Tanathya:



In this case, nothing is wrong. If you ask why, I can explain it.^^

At Level 70 "Aspected Benefic" costs 1440 mana. If you compare this now with Helios, you will quickly notice that an instant spell costs exactly as much as an AoE heal.

You do not want to spam this heal, because you mess up your whole mana. SE made a great Job here, balance with Manacosts. -> Thanks to nocturnal shield Buff at the start from stormblood...
More shield = much more Manacosts :P
In the Time of HW "Aspected Benefic" cost 1/3 like it is now.

It was rethorical.

[Eloah]

Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.

[Heilstos]

Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.

Like AbyssArray explain it. It is not the goal to increase the dmg of the Astro. That happend if this "stella" would make more than 100 DP. The goal is to have a spell/heal that cost less and is instand.

[loreleidiangelo]

Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.

It's not about increasing damage (for me, at least) - it's about making the two oGCDs of "Draw" and "Spread/RR/Minor Arcana" a bit more fluid to use. Previously when ASTs could cross-class Aero you would typically Combust, Draw, Aero, do-whatever-with-your-Draw-result. Now, you Combust, Draw, do-whatever-with-your-card, Malefic III which has the "do whatever with your card" action clip with the GCD (Malefic III is ready to be used while you're still animation-locked fussing with cards).

Not only that, but on a personal level only having two damaging spells that we're using at any given time (only one if it's AOE!) is pretty dull and having an extra spell to weave in would break up the monotony. That's less a usability issue though and more a personal one.

[LinKreiss]

Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.

Would it buff the damage? In the right hands yes but the point here is to make it feel more fluid and enjoyable. It feels awful to me when I don't have my gcd rolling at all times no matter what job I play. Nerfing Malefic's or Combust's damage would work if the numbers started to look too high for the "buffer" class as you say.
Though I for one think AST could maybe even use a slight damage buff considering it's a lot more difficult to play optimally than take WHM for example but that's another topic entirely.

[KDSilver]

Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.

We don't want more damage on AST.
We got the idea of "if you buff, you do less", that's not the prob.
We just want a smoother gameplay.
Too many oGCD to weave. A simple insta cast with a weak potency would just be enough. That's just a small QoL. We won't cry if they don't add it. But it they do, we'll definitly be really happy.
So we hope that request could be heard.

If they are afraid about adding another button, they could make Malefic III be a 2s cast instead of 2,5. That would still be a nice little change compare to now.

[Eloah]

Wow a lot of feed back to my one comment. I'm curious though, and sorry if this sounds pleebish. But what exactly do tou mean by fluid? Now i know what you mean, but I'm a bit confused since every job I've played has felt fluid to me. Is it a PC thing? A keyboard vs controller thing? I'm just curious?

[kidalutz]

As a whm main player... I want to say get bent isnt it enough that once the raid gets put on farm that whm get's benched in favor of ast and sch? as an ast player on an alt... I agree they need something

[Bourne_Endeavor]

AST DPS is some of the most boring garbage on the planet, which sucks because you're forced into it so often due to encounter design.

I used to enjoy AST in Heavensward, but this is what severely hurt my interest come Stormblood. It's just so mindless even compared to White Mage, the often cited "dull" healer. I know the devs likely assumed you'll be preoccupied with cards, however it doesn't take that long to figure out what you want to do with them. Whenever I AST, I'm more or less begging to solo half the mechanics just so I can break up the monotony of Malefic III spam.

Not that I wouldn't welcome an instant spell, but doesn't adding in more attacks sorta undermine their job concept. They are supposed to be the buffers who strengthen their allies more than themselves. AST by default is supposed to have less attack power.

You could legit half the potency of Malefic III to compensate and I wouldn't care. It may seem silly, but I simply want another button to press.