Locking lvl 370 items behind savage content IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

[ViolaCrossfire]

If you are unable to clear O5S due to enrage you are not getting the full value out of your existing item set. OP to me you sound like a spoiled brat who wants something new while he already has decent toys. I promise you, you can earn much more dps from decent play than gear.

[Vidu]

It's not about whether you NEED the best stuff in the game to be able to do stuff; people still WANT to get stronger anyway and since at level 70 there's no way to build your experience level directly through combat any further, the emphasis then goes to equipment.

How many of you have gone out of your way to get the best equipment available in an offline RPG and make your party as strong as the limits of the game will allow, even though it was very often not needed to be able to beat the hardest challenges in the game? Willing to bet a whole bunch of you have. Same idea here.

You know, I actually do understand that - I even kinda share that sentiment. Everyone wants to get as strong as possible, no surprise here.
But I still believe that the argument "You dont need 370 gear" is legit in this context for a simple reason: The gear is, in theory, available to everyone. Raiding is (thank the twelve!) not like housing, so not a limited ressource. Everyone can get their loot out of Savage every week - if they manage to beat it, obviously.

If we stick with your analogy of a singleplayer RPG and gearing up our party there: How do you do that when it comes to the strongest gear?
I recall FFIV where I went through the Cave of Trials and the Lunar Subterrane multiple times (even with characters I didnt plan on using) to get all weapons. Both are endgame dungeons with endgame bosses at the end (and the requirement to potential use weak characters like a certain bard). It was a challenge, it required effort but in the end my whole party was fully geared.
Same with my experience of FFX - I honestly dont even want to know how many hours I spend on that stupid chocobo race! Or how long I made my brother do the dodge-the-lightning minigame. Or how many blitzball-matches I played... not even talking about fighting the Dark Yojinbo over and over again to get gear for everyone.
So yeah, I totally get that we all want the best gear even though we might not need it to beat the game.

But here is the thing: I also understand that getting the best gear comes at a price. And that price is a challenge. But its a challenge you can walk away from if you want - the rest of the game is still open to you. That is what I mean by "you dont need this gear". Not having it isnt blocking you from anything - if you want it though, you can get it. If you're only willing to put in the effort (or wait).

Back to singleplayer RPGs: OPs posts feels a bit like asking for the Ultimate Weapons for each character being sold by a vendor in the first city.

[KarstenS]

You will be able to upgrade your tome gear with patch 4.3 in two ways:

- hunts
- the new 24 man instance

Before this Patch upgrading will be limited to savage clears.

Outside of the next Ultimate there is no need at all for that high gear. Even Savage got cleared in i350 within the first week after release. I see no reason to change the current system.

[Aerlana]

as said, 370 ilvl will be avaible "for all" at 4.3
FFXIV works on a 6 month circle =>
T = 0 => max ilvl grew with 30 more. new story mode raid gives 10 more ilvl than previous top stuff, memoquartz 20 more, and savage 30 more.
T = 3 month => raid 24 added, with the same ilvl than memoquartz, and item to upgrade memoquartz item
T = 6 month => new tier raid, cf T=0


It is a catch up system. more serious players gets reward first, and then, all others can get it, and finally, everyone return to 0.

You say "every MMORPG allow other way to farm stuff"? Nope. For blade and soul, you need to do the highest PvE content to get part of your BiS. it is easy content, but have to do it. And then, lets go to the one many knows, WoW, the insignia (memoquartz system) disapeared. and never allowed to get the max ilvl stuff which always was in the highest difficulty raid. (now, there is a system to get best ilvl without going hardest raid, but need so much luck, and many people are complaining.



SO... because you want "everyone to be able to get best stuff" FFXIV is one of the best game for this criteria.
MOVE your ass if you want to show everyone how much your stuff is powerfull!


BTW. Omega rewards ilvl370, to help you for later (the next tier and ultimate at T=3 month) Stuff is an esthetic reward, but also a tool to go higher. if you dont want to focus on omega take the reward, why complain about stuff? ...

[Tridus]

I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that the whole "you don't NEED savage gear anyway if you're not doing savage" argument is garbage, because everyone wants to get stronger gear whether or not they're playing the hardest content, so that serves to placate nobody.

Unless they've already gotten mendacity everything, they are getting stronger, though. This is less about "getting stronger" and more "someone got a thing I can't get until the next patch!"

[Maero]

People have cleared Savage in ilv 340 gear though which is the minimum to get in, myself i am a little over ilv350 on Nin and our first few runs we made it to around 20% (and we had some pugs also)
Also the Eureka gear while yes only ilv 350 it has many slots to meld materia

[Zojha]

But here is the thing: I also understand that getting the best gear comes at a price. And that price is a challenge.

Which is kinda backwards in concept.

Fact is that better gear improves your output at any given skill level and vice versa.
That means that the worse you are, the better gear you need for a given challenge and vice versa.
Rewarding better gear from more challenging content thus means that those who need the gear the most are the least likely to get it.

If things went by Need, the reward scheme would go the other way - Some people even need gear from the next expansion to beat a challenge of the given expansion (alias Unsync). As such, Need isn't really a factor to consider, nor an argument worth bringing up in these debates.
The entire thing stems from the idea that more effort should be better rewarded (which is a generally accepted notion), coupled with the fact that gear is the standard reward in RPGs (and often the fallacy of equating skill and effort). The current reward scheme is largely a token of acknowledgement.

As for the OP, well... I have to agree with other posters: It's really no big deal. We got a vertical progression model with planned obsolence, everyone will have access to i370 gear soon enough. There's not much point to get bent out of shape over stats and even the glam is going to be available with relative ease eventually.

[Aomine1992]

Well I may sound like an elitist but I stand by what I said you don't NEED it nor do you deserve it if you haven't even put in the work...you want to get stronger do harder content point blank....if you're not raiding than unfortunately you will have to wait for the next 24man to upgrade your gear.

And the raiders do need it becuase there will be another ultimate and it's usually the top ilvl requirement....

[HyoMinPark]

I'm not trying to defend the topic here or anything, but:

People really need to stop bringing this up (the statement that you don’t need i370 for any content in the game) as an argument.

It's not about whether you NEED the best stuff in the game to be able to do stuff; people still WANT to get stronger anyway and since at level 70 there's no way to build your experience level directly through combat any further, the emphasis then goes to equipment.

It’s fine if people want to progress their character from i350 to i360 to i370, but they better be willing to put in the proper work for it. As it stands now, the only way to get i370 is by completing Sigmascape Savage. If the OP is unable or unwilling to do that, then they can wait for Patch 4.3 where they can obtain upgrade items for i370 Mendacity gear via the new Alliance Raid or Hunts.

Put in the work and effort if you want better gear early. Since they gave up after 4 tries of V5S—which, in my opinion, is actually more difficult than V6S but not as difficult as V7S—it tells me that they may WANT the gear, but they don’t want to put in the EFFORT to obtain it during the current patch. In that case, they need to wait. It’s not like they’re going to be completely denied i370 gear in the future.

How many of you have gone out of your way to get the best equipment available in an offline RPG and make your party as strong as the limits of the game will allow, even though it was very often not needed to be able to beat the hardest challenges in the game? Willing to bet a whole bunch of you have. Same idea here.

Again, put in the EFFORT to get the gear. Instead of giving up after 4 tries, and then whining about how things aren’t just handed to you.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

People really need to stop bringing this up as an argument.

It's not about whether you NEED the best stuff in the game to be able to do stuff; people still WANT to get stronger anyway and since at level 70 there's no way to build your experience level directly through combat any further, the emphasis then goes to equipment.

How many of you have gone out of your way to get the best equipment available in an offline RPG and make your party as strong as the limits of the game will allow, even though it was very often not needed to be able to beat the hardest challenges in the game? Willing to bet a whole bunch of you have. Same idea here.

And how many of those games require you to progress through lengthily grinds or clear super bosses? The OP is essentially asking for an endless means of obtaining the best gear immediately despite catch up patches already existing. Frankly, FFXIV caters far more than even single player games do. No need to breed a Gold Chocobo, dodge 200 lightning bolts or bring down difficult bosses. Just wait four months and run a raid. That's why people use the aforementioned argument because anyone wanting the i370 gear without doing Savage only want an easy alternative.