What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Reinha]

So many players ITT are saying they've started liking Eureka more after reaching the high levels. Makes me wonder what the reception would have been like if we started at the elemental level people like most. I didn't hate the original Diadem or the second version but I do dislike Eureka and the leveling system is the reason. I don't see why making everything so frustrating in the beginning was necessary.

Close to 20 now and it is not "rewarding" to finally be able to travel and fight monsters of the appropriate level the way I've already been able to in the open world. Making it more tedious to fate grind and then easing the tedium seems like a weird way to make us enjoy fate grinding. Oddly it worked on some people, good for them I guess. Hopefully this leveling grind doesn't carry on to the next part. They could make the map full of level 20-25 mobs and just let us start at level 20 with more focus on interesting mechanics (weather, elemental affinity, spawn conditions, fight mechanics, quests) and less on overcoming arbitrary gates.

So, what do you guys think of the hotfixes?

◆FINAL FANTASY XIV HotFixes (Mar. 27, 2018)◆

■The following changes have been made to The Forbidden Land, Eureka.
・The Chain Bonus for chains 5/10/15/20/25/30 have been increased.
・The experience gained when defeating a monster with one or two players has been increased.
・The priority of displaying certain Notorious Monsters has been adjusted.
・The “Ensnare” ability used by some monsters has been changed to “Expell”.

■The rewards received from Anemos Lockboxes has been adjusted as follows.
・Eurekan Potions have been added as a reward.
・The drop rate of fireworks items have been decreased.

■The following items are no longer untradeable.
・Eurekan glamour items / Wicked Winds Whisper Orchestrion Roll / No Quarter Orchestrion Roll

■The following issues have been addressed.
・In The Forbidden Land, Eureka, the draw-in effect of the Predatorial Instinct ability used by the Notorious Monster Polyphemus would sometimes take a moment to register, making it impossible to avoid 10,000-tonze Swing.
・Under specific conditions, using the Eternity Ring would teleport the player outside the map.
・The potency listed on the help text for the Dreadwyrm Trance action was incorrect.

[BillyKaplan]

"nerf" the general grind to make it to 20, they can increase the grind to actually get gear, they did things backwards here.

Big no on that one. I feel like you're making this a give and take comparison but it's flawed. Making gear harder to get will also affect the people who already finished leveling. You're just making this place a longer grind than it has to be. The way things are now, by the time I'm 20 I've gotten a lot of small awards along the way, be it lockboxes or pieces of gear, and that keeps me going. I need to be level 19 for Pazuzu feathers? Fine, by then I've gotten all the weapons I want to upgrade up to +2 and I've gotten some dyable glamour bait besides. The gear is the award, not the level, so I'd rather they kept it as-is (granted with other QoL changes)

[Reynhart]

So, what do you guys think of the hotfixes?

I especially like the frst three ones, since I still have several levels to gain. Still sad that the chain completely resets after 30, though.

[Remedi]

So many players ITT are saying they've started liking Eureka more after reaching the high levels. Makes me wonder what the reception would have been like if we started at the elemental level people like most. I didn't hate the original Diadem or the second version but I do dislike Eureka and the leveling system is the reason. I don't see why making everything so frustrating in the beginning was necessary.

Close to 20 now and it is not "rewarding" to finally be able to travel and fight monsters of the appropriate level the way I've already been able to in the open world. Making it more tedious to fate grind and then easing the tedium seems like a weird way to make us enjoy fate grinding. Oddly it worked on some people, good for them I guess. Hopefully this leveling grind doesn't carry on to the next part. They could make the map full of level 20-25 mobs and just let us start at level 20 with more focus on interesting mechanics (weather, elemental affinity, spawn conditions, fight mechanics, quests) and less on overcoming arbitrary gates.

So, what do you guys think of the hotfixes?

Need to test the effect of experience in solo, but imho I don't see the fix for level discrepancy which is one part of the problem with starting late.

I don't get the wording for the chain bonus, either it implies now that they have added chain 5/15/25 or they have alwaus existed hidden

They are something, but needs ofc more

[Nestama]

To make sure I understood this right, you are basically saying I should not call people white knights (even if it is perfectly describing how they are acting) because that just gives them ammo to make me look bad "lul you are 'insulting' people by calling them 'white knights' in an attempt to convince others to ignore what I have to say since it is a 'fallacy' I see this is true, but it is definitely hard not to say anything when people are flat out doing that with all the word twisting.

Well think of it this way: how would you feel if you were suddenly called a white knight (or called names in general), when you have complained about the decisions {company} has made in the past/recently? (but over something different)

[Solarra]

So many players ITT are saying they've started liking Eureka more after reaching the high levels. Makes me wonder what the reception would have been like if we started at the elemental level people like most. I didn't hate the original Diadem or the second version but I do dislike Eureka and the leveling system is the reason. I don't see why making everything so frustrating in the beginning was necessary.

I'm one of those people. I'm really enjoying Eureka now, but the start was so frustrating. I almost quit after going in the first couple of times and getting nowhere. Fortunately, I wanted the dino mount and I've a stubborn streak a mile wide so that combination helped me stick with it (no mount yet).
If they had just made it easier at the start, I think the reception would have been a lot more positive.
I just hope they don't respond to the negative feedback with a simple nerf further down the line. The first 3 or 4 levels were too hard imo, but the mid to upper levels feel just right.

So, what do you guys think of the hotfixes?

-Delighted with the chain bonus increase and very happy to see XP increased for solo players and pairs.
-I'll laugh (and cry a bit) if the fireworks go and the wretched prisms stay at the same rate.
-Being able to trade the glamour and the orchestrion rolls is nice but I think most people will have multiples by the time they hit 20.

-I would have liked to have seen a reduction in the number of players per instance since I'm still having a lot of trouble with group members disappearing, not being able to see mobs etc. The fix to priority for the NMs is very welcome though.
-I'd still like the option for a level-synch, playing with lower level friends basically means joining the Fate Train with them as that is the only way they'll get XP.
-Looking forward to the coming fix that will allow us to exchange crystals in batches. It's gruelling doing it one by one.

Overall, I think the hot-fixes are a move in the right direction.

[TristanBlane]

wahhh I thought the hotfixes were gonna make trading in lootboxes faster T_T *Looks at stack of 999 lootboxes in pain*

[TraeSnow]

I saved 800 lootboxes for the change to them, in hopes of getting the mount. Out of 800 boxes I only got 1 rare item, a minion that you can buy off market for 10k. So now I've opened over 2k boxes and no mount. >_> Apparently I haven't "earned" it by SE's standards, yet everyone in my FC and my circle of friends of 6 people all have it and got it within 100 boxes.

[Tridus]

I saved 800 lootboxes for the change to them, in hopes of getting the mount. Out of 800 boxes I only got 1 rare item, a minion that you can buy off market for 10k. So now I've opened over 2k boxes and no mount. >_> Apparently I haven't "earned" it by SE's standards, yet everyone in my FC and my circle of friends of 6 people all have it and got it within 100 boxes.

Welcome to RNG. With enough people, someone's going to be the outlier.

[Tridus]

So many players ITT are saying they've started liking Eureka more after reaching the high levels. Makes me wonder what the reception would have been like if we started at the elemental level people like most. I didn't hate the original Diadem or the second version but I do dislike Eureka and the leveling system is the reason. I don't see why making everything so frustrating in the beginning was necessary.

Exactly how I feel. Got up to 11 now, and it's far less annoying. More things give rewards, there's more ways to contribute, teleports make getting around less tedious, and it's just an all around better experience. I even seem to be gaining levels FASTER now, on top of gaining items way faster (which was expected).