What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Mahrze]

Why cant we just discuss things without attacking other opinions..and yes that goes for both sides.

People need to calm down, everyone, whether you like it or not.

Eureka, Housing, Job Balance, etc. That's why I just stopped bothering. People ask for respect and rational discussions, but are quick to label your opinion behind a fallacy or a "role" just to dismiss it.

[Vstarstruck]

/facepalm

Calling and labeling anyone disagree of having opposite opinion with White Knight or Diadem 3.0 lover ..
Ok...
Who is more insulting here?
Basically, anyone that disagrees with you directly is considered as offensive by you, what is new?

You are! I explained why. All you do is twist what is being said and insult people that dislike diadem 3.0.

That quote I pointed out of you was most insulting at all, and you cant even apologize? instead you chose to be defensive and act like you did nothing wrong. All you are doing is making posts to fuel flame war like your last 5? or so.

When you sit here, twist what is being said, say stuff without reasoning.. that label as you so call it, is just me pointing out what you are doing, white knighting. That is not an insult. It would be no different then pointing out "oh you are posting on the forums" then reply with "Do not insult me!" " I am confused, I am just saying what you are doing" How can you act insulted over someone just describing what you are doing?

Also, something else was discussed in regards to some people claiming that they hate both the content and the rewards,

word twisting, point out where this has been said.

[Jijifli]

Nobody said that because you go in it means you like it. What is being said is that if you keep your sub and go in, you deem the content worthy of your time for whatever reason. This is different than "liking it".

Someone hasn't been paying attention. At all.

I am stating personal experience here. Then again people also like to tell me that Eureka is a 11 vet's dream come true, and I despise that game simply because of the community reaction to my opinions on anything (GEE THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR) and pushed me way off of even trying it.

If it helps here though, I tried it 4 seperate times. I think terrible design that, if I didn't own a house, would have warranted me going back to WoW for a few months.

[Reynhart]

Hitting skip and ignoring the story is a thing, it is not important to some, this became clear with the MSQ roulette debates.

You still need to do the quest to access content, unless you buy a skip potion. You can't put aside the MSQ like you can for every other self contained content. So, yes, it's objectively important to do.

You still do not see what the problem is you are implying here? You made it quite clear you refuse and try to understand any prospective outside your own.

If that makes you happy, yes, I don't understand people playing games without it being fun for them.

Doing it wrong

I don't care, I won't do something more efficient if I don't like it.

How long did that take?

5 or 6 runs at most to reach i295+ to enter Deltascape, sure, what a waste when compared to people that did their roulette every day, just to replace their gear with Omega drops.

You could buy crafted gear

They didn't exist in 4.0, so...no.

You know, lets put everything together you said thus far, you think glams, mounts, minions are useless (despite liking a "content" that is purely there for glams, minions, mount.

Certainly not useful enough to make me do a content I don't like. And no, I don't do Eureka for Glamour, since the relic will be the most powerful weapon in the end.

So if you are not farming mounts, minions, glams, does not craft, does not gather... what are you doing?

First, I never said I don't gather...second, I never said I don't like mounts, minion, or glamours...only that, in my opinion, they're poor excuses to suffer hours of grinding in Eureka when one clearly hates it.

People are here because they care about the overall heath of the game and care where their money is going.

So, in several months, if Eureka managed to bring back some players, like those who clearly wanted something different from the usual formula, or simply increase the willingness of the community to work as a whole, will you admit it was a good thing for the health of the game ?

This is what white knighting leads to, fighting against needed fixes, all you do is harm the game further.

When will you stop making those hollow claims ? Did someone ever said that Eureka is perfect ? Did someone really berates you from wanting Eureka to be improved ? No ! The only thing you have against you is treating all who like it like dumb people.

I personally do not understand why people want to do harm to the game they like, are you that trapped in your point of view?

Neither you, nor I, nor anybody in the forum have any idea what will harm the game in the long run.

I found this post most offensive because it does not represent what I am saying, trying to word twist to make the matter worse.

What you're saying, apart from your opinion, is "White knights, "fanboys", and "delusional"...

They just want to flame people that dislike it hence this post:

Again, you didn't understand anything. The problem is not that you don't like it, but that you can't bear anyone from liking it.

that label as you so call it, is just me pointing out what you are doing, white knighting. That is not an insult.

Seriously, are you that oblivious to how this term is used on forums ? Does your comment applies to "blind fanboy", "delusional" and "I agree he must've been paid" ?

[Divinemights]

Someone hasn't been paying attention. At all.

I am stating personal experience here..

Same goes to you.
The focus on my previous post was about the people AFKing while I am busy helping to pop NM.
While they are afking and leeching the NM experience, they are posting on the forum not only saying how they dislikes it (it is fine, it is their personal opinion).
They are also name calling and labeling the people pop NM for them as White Knight as Diadem 3.0 lover

[Kazgrel]

2 weeks in and I’m about 80% done with everything I want reward-wise. 12/15 weapons complete. Already have the feathers for remaining weapons; just need ~3k protein crystals to finish those. Only armor set I plan on doing is DRG. Once that’s done, I’m finished with the zone. Admittedly, I no-lifed the game over the weekend and made huge progress on the weapons, but I can’t help but wonder how long people will be showing up in there.

[MageBlack]

I've given up trying to even pop off a single skill against the mobs, there is really no point. At best I can get two skills off before its dead, I cant even generate my resource that way before the NM appears.

What I do now instead is I mount my Magitek armor and see how many canon bursts I can pop off on a mob before its dead. If i'm really on the ball I can get three. I do a whole lot more damage this way and I'm not just AFKing. Once the NM spawns I'll dismount and unload on them. Either way I'm participating about the same amount.

[Jijifli]

Same goes to you.
The focus on my previous post was about the people AFKing while I am busy helping to pop NM.
While they are afking and leeching the NM experience, they are posting on the forum not only saying how they dislikes it (it is fine, it is their personal opinion).
They are also name calling and labeling the people pop NM for them as White Knight as Diadem 3.0 lover

To start, some can't help with some NM's. In case you forgot the part where anything 2 levels above you 1 shots you.

Second, I'm not seeing where they called you a white knight for spawning NM's. They're calling you that because you're stating it's not bad because "YOSHI SAID IT'LL GET BETTER!!!1!" Wanna know another feature he says'll be better? Housing. Hmm, still gotta be on in the first few minutes for even the hope of a small, forget larges most of the time.

Here's a much better idea. Why didn't they make Eureka fun now? I don't care about how long it takes. I care to be entertained in it. I'd rather a month of fun than a week of braindead boring. And with how some of the people are rubbing it as, I'm actually terrified of future content.

[Vstarstruck]

What you're saying, apart from your opinion, is "White knights, "fanboys", and "delusional"...

word twisting/putting words in my mouth

Again, you didn't understand anything. The problem is not that you don't like it, but that you can't bear anyone from liking it.

LOL @ telling someone they do not understand something when in fact they are the ones not understanding. I will baby step the issues with that post.

>Why are you still bothering with these 2?<
Does not need be said, implying insults that we are not worth talking to, the issue is not with us, but your refusal to understand viewpoints past your own.
>The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.<
This is anecdotal evidence, twisting "facts" lets call it, to try support their bias prospective. From what I seen In the place, on the Japanese forms, what posts on the Japanese forums get more likes (any post that points out problems/ hating it tends to have 50+ likes on the Japanese forums, this was even posted to Divinemights who simply ignored it when Divinemights claimed most Japanese players liked it. The other problem here is acting like we do not want to see improvements when we do, it is why we are here. Don't even try to counter this with the 50% Japanese poll. It was not done here on the OF, furthermore 50% is a failing grade anyway, that isn't successful.

>Also after I saw the JP Yoship Walk at niconico, I am getting a feeling that Eureka is not only an optional content for relic weapon/armor, it is also a trail experiment for 5.0 open world contents and leveling. <
Has no point in the discussion, plus the idea of having a "beta" of anything at this point in time has no defense. a lot of people are offended at the idea of giving us delay after delay just to give us an empty beta.

>I stop bothering with the topic when I saw one of them inside Eureka today.
Let them fight a losing battle.
If they think Eureka is diadem 3.0 let them be.<
flame war bait.
>Also it took me 9 week to get 5 pieces of ilvl 360 gear and 5 weeks for 5 pieces of ilvl 350 gears from Sigma.
It only took me one week to get two relic weapons and 5 pieces of SAM relic armor and 5 pieces of Ninja relic armor<
I also have 6 feathers i dont know what to do with it<
misrepresenting my point. I was trying to explain how one person can get 350 and 360 gear easily without investing a pointless time sink to improve ones gear. To get 350 crafted is not hard and quicker, lot quicker then one gets 350 diadem gear. same with 355 weapon and ex weapon. Also casual got 1-360 weapon on the release of daidem 3.0, diadem 3.0 is not made for boosting ilevels, its just glam. You do not do 45 mins to 2 hrs in one sitting to progress for them, its only 12-20 mins a day for 5 days, and 10 mins a day , any day, per week. doing these acts makes diadem 3.0 only for glam, and DoA as far a ilevel upgrades. This started because Reynhart was trying to suggest I got a side befit of Ilevel upgrades when I grinded with my SO to 20. Nope, not the case at all. I care so little in the time sink I am not even going to buy anything till the streamline of the exchanges. Right now we are just trying get to 20 to prepare for next release so we are not behind. It does not matter if you do not understand people doing stuff they dislike. People do things they dislike a lot for progress.

>I only player Eureka for 2.5 hours a day
They need to stop preaching people about grinding and time sink.<
Too much for one sitting. ARR/HW relics did not do this. Diadem 3.0 requires too much time in one sitting to make progress. I keep repeating this point only for it to be twisted again

So no Reynhart, I do not like you are telling me I am not understanding, when the problem is you not understanding. You can't see where the misunderstandings are, because of your bias. You do not care for an understanding, you just want to drown out who dislike it, If this is not your goal, your actions say otherwise.

So yeah it is pretty offensive to try to explain something, make a point, only for it to get ignored or distorted and be told your opinion does not matter.

Certainly not useful enough to make me do a content I don't like. And no, I don't do Eureka for Glamour, since the relic will be the most powerful weapon in the end.

You mean debatably tied with the final raid weapon around 2 months before 5.0? What is better or not depends on job and the sub stats on it, and even in HW, rng or not, had a weapon that beat both anyway. Plus no one cares what goes on a few months before 5.0 when the 2nd dungon is dropping weapons the same power, with 3rd or 4th dungeon beating it while common craft weapons and MSQ rewards are also beating it at that point. Relic is glam, plain in simple, nothing lasts in this game. This is very different from FFXI who has gear lasting longer then the full age of ffxiv.

[Remedi]

2 weeks in and I’m about 80% done with everything I want reward-wise. 12/15 weapons complete. Already have the feathers for remaining weapons; just need ~3k protein crystals to finish those. Only armor set I plan on doing is DRG. Once that’s done, I’m finished with the zone. Admittedly, I no-lifed the game over the weekend and made huge progress on the weapons, but I can’t help but wonder how long people will be showing up in there.

There are many critisms that can be done on Eureka and frankly dunno if this is the strongest or second strongest, for me personally.
Either this or the story (or the lack of it).
Those are probably the issues they need to fix ASAP since once the place will die down (and it will) making relics will be hard when new zones releases (especially in the next expansion).