Locking lvl 370 items behind savage content IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

[Vivi_Bushido]

I personally disagree. Locking 370 behind savage is perfectly reasonable. It's the hardest content in the game, and as such the rewards for completing it should be well worth it. If they gave you the best gear outside of the content, then there would be no incentive to complete it other than personal satisfaction.

On the bright side, they'll have a catch up patch in 4.3 that'll allow those who want to be max level without raiding to catch up. I don't think there is anything wrong with giving those that put in the time and effort some time to enjoy their gear before others can catch up. It's not like the gap is that large of a difference. If it was say, 40 item levels, then sure I might see an argument.

Secondly, @ OP. I don't know how much dps you do, but most statics don't worry to much about dps if you can do enough to kill the boss and not mess up mechanics. I think plenty of groups would rather a player that can survive and do poor dps, over a player that dies to every major mechanic to greed their numbers. Of course a player that can do great dps and survive would be a perfect world but you don't achieve that status until you get several upgrades later from farming after you clear. Numbers while important to almost everyone doesn't mean to much to players until after you have content on farm status. The clears come first, the padding comes later. If you can do the content without dying, you'll naturally do better dps over time. Low dps only stresses groups out if you're hitting enrage, but most groups can overcome enrage naturally if nobody on the team dies. Survivability and reliability over maximizing damage. In addition, don't feel discouraged because another player is doing more damage than you are because of gear, if anything, look at it like it's less competition for rolling on gear if something you desire drops. The better the gear your teammates are, the quicker things die, the more chances you have at rolling on gear you otherwise might have had competition for assuming they already have it.

[ObsidiaVol]

A couple things are important out of the gate when discussing this issue. The first of which is to question why you want 370 gear in the first place. Ultimately SE has decided 350 gear is the minimum Ilvl needed to reasonable complete 08s and this is achievable in 4 weeks of Sigma normal + mendacity. If you have no desire to attempt these fights or do not find them enjoyable, simply do not partake in them. The gear you have now is likely more than enough to challenge any other content.

If you want to focus on the progression, remember there is a lot of horizontal progression too. Crafting, gathering, glamour, various collections, and housing to name a few. Your character is not finished when you are done normal PvE content unless that is where you choose to let it sit. If none of these things interest you then imagine you clear God Kefka by the next raid tier. What is your goal then? Item level is nice but its a finite journey and the work you put it gets replaced often. If you take defeating content as the goal instead it'll make the gear grind a lot less painful.

Parsers certainly exist in the game but they are not the only way to tell if you are playing competently. If you kill the respective savage dummy in the allotted time you can feel confident that you can kill that boss if you can maintain up-time or follow mechanics. Of course DPS checks have to exist otherwise there would be no point but to take 6 tanks and two healers to trivialise incoming damage since you have infinite time. DPS checks usually aren't tough to beat. Play competently and don't die for 10 minutes. If 8 people in a party do that it results in a clear, even in savage. While that is a lot to ask of pugs, many people pug the first two savage bosses every day and some clear the third with a few even pugging God Kefka himself. Maybe you got unlucky with your groups but I know from experience savage bosses can be pugged. The content is designed to make the first two relatively easy while the third and fourth both take massive steps up.

You called yourself bad, I don't want to be insulting, but you should question whether or not you deserve to be geared just as well as people who put in the time to get good at the game. Savage content is reserved for people willing to challenge themselves a little. 370 and ultimate gear is the reward they get for putting in that time and testing their abilities. If there was no challenge to this final step then what would even be the point of gear? Why get so many stats when none of it matters? You cant completely blame pugs when many fights end up being pugged and there is always the option to look for a soft core static. If you can't call yourself good, why do you deserve to get anything anyone else has when they put in the effort?

You say you cant think of an MMO that's been this infuriating but look at WoW. WoW is often described as the game with the best raiding of any MMO despite what ever flaws we may say it has. It wins out by experience in this field in most cases. Due to the prevalence in parsers and UI add-ons, healing and DPS checks are way tighter than anything this game has offered so far. I hate to say this but if you encountered all of these issues with XIV, you may not be cut out for theme park styled MMOs.

A bit of advice on progression would be to work on a job until you feel like you are really doing well on it and then rethink this thread and the challenges you've faced. Im sure it'll make a difference on your outlook and do far more for your DPS then one or two 370 pieces.

[Soupa]

This thread is absolutely rediculous and OPs formatting makes my eyes bleed. Try harder on both content and formatting next time.

[TitaniaYaerem]

You don't have to do Savage, also if you aren't enjoying Savage content then maybe its not the content for you. Also a good handful of people cleared the whole Savage tier at or even below your gear level, ilvl isn't everything more than anything your skill is what's really going to make or break you.

[KaldeaSahaline]

but i am still a player that cannot do the content that gates my character progression, i sit at ilvl 354 and i am like 30% weaker than the guys who have a good guild and do the savage content with help of a parser and the items they already got, thats really nice isnt.

I'm only 356 and just cleared God Kefka playing hyper-casually. I did all of my progression in pugs up until God Kefka where I grabbed a static (I'm a tank though so my ilvl is a little misleading).

If you put in the effort to be better, the gear will come. You're doing savage for all the wrong reasons.

I think plenty of groups would rather a player that can survive and do poor dps, over a player that dies to every major mechanic to greed their numbers.

This is actually a pretty common misconception that I'd like to clear up. No player does good DPS and dies to every major mechanic. It simply doesn't happen in WoW where a Bres is fast and doesn't handcuff you, and it SURE AS HECK doesn't happen in this game with spawning with no resources, a 10s animation, and a damage down debuff for a minute...

[Aylis]

I'm a little confused about the part of "you have to complete this to further progression" most of my friends and I never stepped foot in any savage content and we progress our gear from patch to patch just fine. The highest level gear no matter the game will always be gated behind this kinda content at the start of it. It's what gets players to want to do it. It becomes more open to get yes once the content has run its lifespan. It goes without saying that by making the strongest gear in the patch open to get by any other means aside from savage means very few would even bother with it and opt for the easier paths instead.

[Vaer]

OP you must have only started playing recently since this has been a thing for about 4 1/2 years.

[NephthysVasudan]

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*Offers a box of tissues*

Oh..I'm sorry..was I supposed to take this seriously? Must be losing it...

[SenorPatty]

Did we not have this thread before?

[Vidu]

Lets do this one thing at a time...

Just as the title says.
I was trying to do O5S lately in order to get start gaining something in this game and i end up hating O5S so much i was trying to do it 4 times already i give up, ending up with pugs being constantly dropped from the platform and touched by the ghosts, because the way hitboxes and hit registration in this game works is a nightmare and a total BS.
There are too many mechanics to execute them with the group of random people and the enrage timer doesnt help it at all.

4 attempts and you're ready to give up? Thats nothing in content thats called Savage. Did you expect to just be able to walk in there, one-shot it and get your loot? Yeah no, sorry, its a challenge after all. So yes, you're required to deal with mechanics properly. And while O5S and O6S are certainly possible with pugs, the content isnt meant to be played that way - at least not yet. At the current state, those 4 instances (and PotD past 100) are the one thing that you're "supposed" to have a static for.
But the very fact that pugs can indeed clear it, is an indicator that "to many mechanics" isnt an issue here.
Quite honestly I'm not even sure if you're complaining about pugs being bad - or if you're having just huge trouble with the fight yourself and are unable to execute mechanics properly. In that case: Practise, Practise, Practise.

It makes me to drop this game and sub right away, due to the fact you HAVE TO complete it in order to proceed your progression further.

You can play any content in this game, even O8S, without having 370 gear. You dont need that gear. You're not blocked from anything by not having it.
It will also become available at a later point through upgrading your tome-stone-gear by using the drop from the new Ivalice-raid and hunts (if they follow the pattern they've been using since Syrcus Tower in ARR). So your gear-progression is merely delayed at this point because you dont want to do whats required of you right now.

Also i dont understand one thing, why does SE are so much against parsers, when they have just released a content so heavly based on the DPS check where these parsers are necessary in order to finish the content without losing it every second time. Are they mad or something? Because i am, why? Because end game is drastically different from what i have experienced in this game so far and i have just hit a ceiling with my stupid head.

Parsers arent required to beat DPS-checks. Enough DPS is. All a parser does is telling you who did how much damage, so you can check back with them about how they need to improve.
Or, if its pugs, simply remove that person from the group. Or even worse - and thats what they fear: You clear the content but someone starts harrassing someone else about their numbers, even though those were properly fine (but not as high as they could have been).
If you want to know if you're doing okay for a fight yourself: Stone, Sky, Sea is your friend. If you can beat the dummy for that encounter, you're fine dps-wise.

They're not mad - they just dont want to have to be mad at people harrassing each other over parser-numbers.

I like alliance raids, gold saucer, i kinda like dungeons i like doing omega outside of savage, and what? It will not give me the stuff i am looking for because 370 item level is ENTIRELY gated behind that content with this diabolic thing called enrage timer. Why? why are you forcing your players to play a numbers game with parser, in freaking 2018?

Non of that content requires an ilvl of 370 - you can stick to the content you enjoy just fine with your current gear. So you clearly just want 370 to have it - which is legit enough. But the best gear in the game requires you to put in the most effort aswell - seems fair to me.
And why an enrage-timer? Because DPS needs to be accountable aswell. We have tank-busters for tanks, we have healer-checks for healers... we have an enrage-timer for DPS (mainly DPS - tanks and healers are obviously supposed to contribute here aswell). Its a legit mechanic to make sure that you dont just die yourself through the encounter. To ensure that mechanics matter when being failed. That you perform well enough to clear content thats called "Savage".

Give us at least and OPTION TO FARM one piece of this equipment doing other content or with tomestones, make it so we need to play 1 month to get one, BUT AT LEAST GIVE US AND OPTION to earn this thing, LIKE ANY OTHER MMO DOES since 1997.

We will get two options soon enough - hunts a new 24-man-raid. Until then this gear is reserved for those who are skilled enough to earn it. (Who are also the only ones kinda needing it because they're doing teh actual difficult content)

Yes I AM BAD AND I FEEL BAD, but i am still a player that cannot do the content that gates my character progression, i sit at ilvl 354 and i am like 30% weaker than the guys who have a good guild and do the savage content with help of a parser and the items they already got, thats really nice isnt.

I checked your Lodestone-Profile. If you're so worried about good gear, why did you spend tomestone on tank-accessories? Tank-BiS is penta-melded crafted accessories. There you go. Gear progression that you can have without setting foot into Savage.
Its not all about ilvl only.
And: If you're "bad" I'd recommend you improve yourself. If your guild isnt to your taste - aka: not raiding when you want to - look for a new FC.
You dont need a parser to clear Savage. It doesnt help you to clear the fight - it just tells you your numbers afterwards, so you can see if you need to improve or not. But the improvment-part is up to you, not the parser.
And while 370-gear certainly makes Savage a bit easier and gives you more room to make mistakes and the like: In order to get that, you need to prove yourself first, using 350/360 gear.

It is not funny to keep trying, wasting time and get nothing at all, why should i try to do it for the 10 time if i could play something else. For seven hells i cant think of a mmo that was infuriating me so bad lately, i was thinking ESO and their expert dungeons were stupid, but at least your item progression wasnt so heavly limited there, and FFXIV just broke all my expectations.

I'm repeating myself here, but: If Savage isnt fun to you, you can ignore it. You dont need the 370 gear for the content you enjoy and if you dont fancy a challenge, thats okay. You'll get access to 370 gear sooner or later - just not right now.

I understand some hardcore gamers should have their place in the game, and i am happy with it, they could have it all i dont mind, but lets say eureka is already here, there was a GIANT opportunity to throw in there 370 ilvl items for players who like just to farm but cant do the savage content because of the reasons. Why it have not been done? They pushed resources to the content lately that would be a great opposition to omega savesht but is not, because the rewards are meaningful and it will be forgotten within 1 month. Why?

I agree that Eureka gear could have been better - not 370, but at least 360.
However, we will most likely be able to upgrade that even further in the future.
Its also meant as an alternative for casual players who arent raiding and therefor dont need such a high ilvl to begin with.
If you just like to farm for something, you can also still do that - I'm not getting why you're so obsessed with 370-gear specially when raiding seems to be something you're not intrested in...

Also i dont understand the logic behind argument of "because 370 ilvl is a reward for doing savage!", yes a reward for being a slave forced to do one thing over and over and over, thats so much fun, lets make a party!
Thanks, and fix your pvp because it still sucks, im dropping the sub for now.

Slave? Forced? Who enslaved you? Who forced you?
Seriously, if thats how you feel about raiding: Leave it be...
Its a reward for clearing fights that require you to play properly, know your job, be able to execute mechanics correctly and deal decent damage while doing so. Its a reward for a challenge. To some people thats fun - to some it isnt. If you're part of the later group, thats okay - you dont get the reward then though. Its not a reward you need to begin with. You're not locked out of any content you enjoy because you dont have full 370-gear.

I wish you the very best finding a game thats more to your taste then - if a silly little things like this is enough to make you quit...