FFXIV shows what's wrong with MMOs (Not what you think)

[basketofseals]

??? It's not rare for mmorpgs to have a main storyline throughout the game and I am not sure if you can call the sb story great based on how generic and uninspired it's been so far compared to HW. Lastly just because one thing is better than another that doesn't make said thing "good:. It's like comparing wonder woman to batman v superman, is WW better than BvS? Yes. Then does that make WW a good movie? No.

I mean it's certainly better than WoW, who is its main competitor. That universe no longer runs on logic, and you can only "rule of cool" so many times before everything starts seeming normal.

[Remedi]

I mean it's certainly better than WoW, who is its main competitor. That universe no longer runs on logic, and you can only "rule of cool" so many times before everything starts seeming normal.

Oh boy if this is true, I've even read some of the books and frankly sometimes seems that charcaters go full retard when the plot demands it or just flip flop when the need arises just to create drama.
I felt this coming with the wrathgate event and should've seen what came after from there.

Anyway on OP: I agree that the story is done better than most but that let's not forget that they also need to back the rest of game with good content.

(besides they could trim the story of ARR a bit imho)

[Tridus]

Oh boy if this is true, I've even read some of the books and frankly sometimes seems that charcaters go full retard when the plot demands it or just flip flop when the need arises just to create drama.
I felt this coming with the wrathgate event and should've seen what came after from there.

Wow had a reasonably coherent story early on. It was never terribly good, but it made enough sense that you could follow it and there was logical progression as to why things happened. There was a pretty strong RP community for a while and we had a lot to work with.

Then it went full on with "change the story to suit whatever we feel like doing this week" and ceased to make any sense whatsoever.

[Divinemights]

Then it went full on with "change the story to suit whatever we feel like doing this week" and ceased to make any sense whatsoever.

WoW's story are from their comic books, no the game.
It is same rip off like Destiny 1 and 2

[Remedi]

Wow had a reasonably coherent story early on. It was never terribly good, but it made enough sense that you could follow it and there was logical progression as to why things happened. There was a pretty strong RP community for a while and we had a lot to work with.

Then it went full on with "change the story to suit whatever we feel like doing this week" and ceased to make any sense whatsoever.

No, wow had no story early on
It thrived with the concept of exploring the warcraft world and had very simplistic story to it because the foxus was exploring the world.
They started going bonkers when they wanted to focus more on story and ppl got the mess that they are giving them now.

[Vahlnir]

No, wow had no story early on
It thrived with the concept of exploring the warcraft world and had very simplistic story to them.
They started going bonkers when they wanted to focus more on story and ppl got the mess that they are giving them now.

It has had a pretty large focus on the story since at least Wrath. I don't recall people ever complaining about that. They didn't go far enough in Cata, and I genuinely think that the story through Cata was an abomination. They went a little crazy in MoP with the dailies (which had some story behind it) but people weren't upset about the story. The journey from 85-90 was a wonderful experience...also full of story. They were upset about endgame crafting patterns and gear being locked behind daily quests. In WoD...the story was great, there was a large focus on it...but when the story ended at max level, that was basically it. They failed to save the expansion due to many problems (and suffered some pretty major cash loss) and pushed out Legion instead in an attempt to stop the bleeding. Legion has been largely story driven, and again...have heard no complaints about that. How they've handled a few things has been questionable, namely the time gating. But no one has complained that there was too much focus on the story. The story is a large part of the game. Has been for awhile now. They also encourage exploration, which XIV doesn't go far enough with.

FF XIV's focus on story is a bit more intense because it's an FF title. For better or worse. Only difference between WoW and XIV in this case is one game needs cut scenes to do it. WoW uses them sparingly yet delivers a story all the same, whether it's through quests, dungeons or raids. The game's just a bit more action oriented. The most intense moments of the story are usually played out in cut scenes though.

[Remedi]

It has had a pretty large focus on the story since at least Wrath. I don't recall people ever complaining about that. They didn't go far enough in Cata, and I genuinely think that the story through Cata was an abomination. They went a little crazy in MoP with the dailies (which had some story behind it) but people weren't upset about the story. The journey from 85-90 was a wonderful experience...also full of story. They were upset about endgame crafting patterns and gear being locked behind daily quests. In WoD...the story was great, there was a large focus on it...but when the story ended at max level, that was basically it. They failed to save the expansion due to many problems (and suffered some pretty major cash loss) and pushed out Legion instead in an attempt to stop the bleeding. Legion has been largely story driven, and again...have heard no complaints about that. How they've handled a few things has been questionable, namely the time gating. But no one has complained that there was too much focus on the story. The story is a large part of the game. Has been for awhile now. They also encourage exploration, which XIV doesn't go far enough with.

FF XIV's focus on story is a bit more intense because it's an FF title. For better or worse. Only difference between WoW and XIV in this case is one game needs cut scenes to do it. WoW uses them sparingly yet delivers a story all the same, whether it's through quests, dungeons or raids. The game's just a bit more action oriented. The most intense moments of the story are usually played out in cut scenes though..

I don't share your vision on legion and wod story, frankly they are for me all missed chances or just downright terrible with the only execption frostfire ridge.
That said I was talking about vanilla and tbc, where the game had really no story because the focus of the game was more on exploration.
Frankly ppl didn't care about beign the hero or w/e they simply wanted to see the places and heroes of the warcraft games and it continued with wotlk where they started lenieng towards a better storytelling, however they started what I call him the drama soap opera of the faction war no matter the cost, which frankly some ppl are starting to feel tired about, but MUH WARCRAFT is always their response since they have actually no courage about writing anything different, though they created an interesting character like lei-shen so go figure

[Ilyrian]

No, wow had no story early on
It thrived with the concept of exploring the warcraft world and had very simplistic story to it because the foxus was exploring the world.
They started going bonkers when they wanted to focus more on story and ppl got the mess that they are giving them now.

I think that WoW is just a victim of it's own success now - there's only so much story you can eek out of the narrative they set up.
Battle for Azeroth (the forthcoming expansion) seems to be (another) soft reboot after having done the 'elves in space' mad cosmic-opera that was the end of Legion.
The thing that keeps WoW relevant, to me at least, is the characters and time spent with them - for all the crap they get Blizzard are good at creating worlds and characters people want to invest in.

[Tridus]

No, wow had no story early on
It thrived with the concept of exploring the warcraft world and had very simplistic story to it because the foxus was exploring the world.
They started going bonkers when they wanted to focus more on story and ppl got the mess that they are giving them now.

... yes it did. It had lots of stories. What it didn't have early on was a single overarching plot. That came later. But there was stories all over the place and vanilla, and TBC had every zone basically telling a story.

[Remedi]

... yes it did. It had lots of stories. What it didn't have early on was a single overarching plot. That came later. But there was stories all over the place and vanilla, and TBC had every zone basically telling a story.

Fair enough, but I was idd referring to plot and overall story, not mini stories which were idd presents but not really a game plot and frankly the game was sold on the idea of exploring the warcraft world not really just a continuation of it.
Frankly some plot points of tbc were kinda well hidden.
I also have the feeling that they kinda rewrote some of the bosses lore from tbc and wotlk when they added the dungeon journal