Just buff Bloodspiller.

[Chrono_Rising]

First you ask who is this 'silent elite,' and I provide where you can find the source, then confirm that their beliefs are more in line with mine, yet somehow I'm discredited? :thinking:

I said some agree and some disagree. They aren't silent about it and are definately not all of 1 mind, nice try at twisting the truth again.

Oh easily, there are some extremely vocal and talented people who feel the class is fine just as there are talented and vocal people who feel it could use the buffs.

...

But again I have fallen for the troll trap. Enjoy discreditting yourself yet again.

[Hierro]

Even you, that claims DRK is fine and just needs QOL buffs— almost like saying people should just "git gud", yes, even you is not playing DRK in the current raid tier.

So, what's the matter? Did you not "git gud" enough? Or is that you prefer rolling with WAR and PLD that bring more to the table? ( And quite frankly, are a lot easier to play. )

I play WAR because it's been my main since the start? At this point, my WAR has a 270 axe while DRK is still using byakko's. If I want to deal with pugs for my weekly clears and prog, then of course I'm going to use the class that I'm most familiar with and has the better weapon. If both were equally as geared, I'd be using both equally. But hey, that's neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is you tried to discredit me, and I refuted your point. Suddenly you shift to saying I'm trying to brag about e-peen, when I'm simply trying to establish my credentials?

Don't be a silly billy.

[Wintersandman]

At this point, my WAR has a 270 axe while DRK is still using byakko's.

I am sorry but you're just making yourself look bad in this thread and you just proved Steinar and Chrono correct. If DRK is better or equal to WAR why did you not give the DRK the 270 weapon first?

If DRK was fun to play more people would be playing it and gearing it out first.

[Steinar]

I play WAR because it's been my main since the start? At this point, my WAR has a 270 axe while DRK is still using byakko's. If I want to deal with pugs for my weekly clears and prog, then of course I'm going to use the class that I'm most familiar with and has the better weapon. If both were equally as geared, I'd be using both equally. But hey, that's neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is you tried to discredit me, and I refuted your point. Suddenly you shift to saying I'm trying to brag about e-peen, when I'm simply trying to establish my credentials?

Don't be a silly billy.

Soooo... Your "credentials" are as follows: "I'm most intimate with WAR, and i don't play DRK on the current raid tier." Yet you still think you know best what players that main DRK need/want, and refuses to accept anything but what you find to be right?

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but your "credentials" mean nothing, you just proved my point.

Also, the majority of DRK players agrees that they need more than QOL btw, that is a fact, not something up for debate, once again >THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE<.

But of course, there are people like you too, who think QOL is all DRK needs, and even some people that think DRK is fine as it is, half of those people main WAR/PLD, the other half are too afraid that if they accept that DRK is broken ( in a bad way. ), they will stop finding groups and such.

Also, this argument is getting really boring.

[Hierro]

I am sorry but you're just making yourself look bad in this thread and you just proved Steinar and Chrono correct. If DRK is better or equal to WAR why did you not give the DRK the 270 weapon first?

If DRK was fun to play more people would be playing it and gearing it out first.

Read the first first sentence in the quote. It answers your first question. I said DRK is in third place. This is not the same as implying it's equal to WAR. DRK is fun, but WAR is more fun to me. However, just because I main WAR and prefer WAR does not mean I don't understand DRK, just as Chrono mains PLD but understands DRK in his own way. Whatever hypocrisy you're trying to imply is absurd!

[Hierro]

Also, the majority of DRK players agrees that they need more than QOL btw, that is a fact.

That ad populum argument means squat, the majority of DRK players (or players in general) are bad, and that's a fact.

[Steinar]

That ad populum argument means squat, the majority of DRK players (or players in general) are bad, and that's a fact.

So, let me see if i get you right:

If the vast majority of PAYING customers are not satisfied with something, it means nothing, because they are "bad" and thus, only the "Elite" ( even if a lot of people of said "Elite" also agree that DRK is just plain garbage atm ) are the only ones worthy of asking for improvements.

Meaning, the "Elite's" money is worth more than the higher ammount of money that comes from the vast majority of said customers, because, after all, they are "bad", and thus mean nothing and don't deserve to be heard.

As such, the "bad" paying customers should just keep quiet and paying their subs, so that the servers can keep on existing, so that "elite" that doesn't ammount to even 1% of the total playerbase, can have their "fun"?

Interesting... Isn't that what we call Fascism?

Anyway, i think i don't have to say anything else, you do a better job at proving my point than i can ever do myself.


Quick edit here: The very reason SE decided to rework some of WAR's skills was because it was "too hard" for the average player to keep up with the rotation and burst windows, even tho most of the "elite" said it was fine and in a good place after SiO rework— and now you have that braindead war rotation, that even my granny can do. ( That and because Xeno kept QQing about how CH and DH affected WAR so much, but whatever. )

[Hierro]

Ah, yes, the old "call any opinion that doesn't allign with yours facist" strategy.

Let's not pretend that balance should be dictated entirely by "But I paid my sub!"

[Steinar]

Ah, yes, the old "call any opinion that doesn't allign with yours facist" strategy.

Let's not pretend that balance should be dictated entirely by "But I paid my sub!"

I never called you a fascist ( it's written with SC, by the way. ), god forbid. But what you said is the very definition of it, so i just felt like pointing it out. ( Miss me with that political crap btw. )

If you think i'm wrong, then do a quick research and check if what you said isn't exactly the same.

And yes, SE has to please everyone, that's the very reason why they tweaked war skills, "Elite's" aren't enough to keep the server going, else we wouldn't have casual content nor catch-up mechanics. ( *cough* *cough* Eureka *cough* *cough* )

If a class is underperforming then it's not fine, it has to be fixed, all classes have to bring their own flavor, yes, but they also have to be ballanced, that's a given in every game— being viable is not being balanced. If you have to do more to achieve inferior or even the same results, then it's not ballanced— thus, not okay.

Anyway, let's bring another big MMORPG as comparison, let's say... World of Warcraft?

Do they ballance content around the "elite"? — No.

Do they have large gaps in skill floor/effectiveness of roles? — No.

Well, well... I think the most successful mmorpg up to date at least got something right, didn't it?

I can keep going, but i seriously would rather go back to crafting stuff...

[Kabooa]

All of the tank jobs are some of the most boring iterations of 'Tanks' that I've seen implemented in an MMO.

Dark Knight is just the worst offender.