Just buff Bloodspiller.

[Hierro]

I got 50th on a fight with no slashing debuff. Factor that in and I probably would be purple.

[Hierro]

Oh and I did very well for myself in deltascape, better than you. Careful with what you say.

[Wintersandman]

I like this, but I would make it a separate buff that is consumed for the Dark Arts effect as to avoid double stacking it with manual activation (as the server may decide to give it at an unfortunate time).

Well Discerning Eye on MIN/BTN if it procs from Impulsive Appraisal it greys out Discerning Eye so it can't be double stacked. They could do the same with Dark Arts. When Dark Arts buff is active it is greyed out.

[TouchandFeel]

Or when TBN breaks it grants you Dark Arts

If this were to happen, how would the interplay of TBN and Quietus work when AoE tanking with DRK?
If you're not getting Blood to fuel Quietus from popping TBN, where will the necessary Blood come from considering natural passive generation is likely too slow to keep up with the need?

[Wintersandman]

If this were to happen, how would the interplay of TBN and Quietus work when AoE tanking with DRK?
If you're not getting Blood to fuel Quietus from popping TBN, where will the necessary Blood come from considering natural passive generation is likely too slow to keep up with the need?

I wasn't saying eliminate the blood bonus. I honestly was thinking of granting both. Since Dark Arts is always desired for DPS it may be nice to have passive ways to generate Dark Arts on top of the existing toolkit. You could force it for when you need the extra boost for offense or Defense or get a passive DPS boost just from Dodge/Parries or TBN breaking.

[Steinar]

Oh and I did very well for myself in deltascape, better than you. Careful with what you say.

Oh, how awesome is that? You did better than a character that was used for crafting and RP only ( if you had the trouble to check it right, then you'd know that ) during most of 4.1! Doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about and is just shaming yourself here. Also, we're on the same server, if you want to compare logs just hit me up when i'm online, i'll be glad to join you, i'll even let you pick which character/class i'll use. Now, if you have nothing to add to this topic, please, remove yourself, no one cares about how big your e-pen is. You're even at the point where you just seem like an angry troll.

Cheers.

[Hierro]

It would be nice to actually post some evidence of this "silent elite class".

Gee, I wonder where I could find that....

I saw posted somewhere on the balance discord

Ah, how convenient! I'm glad you're familiar with such a resource. Tell you what, how about you ask those guys who's assessment they most agree with, mine, or steinar's? You don't have to report back your findings, but I'm sure you'll be enlightened all the same.

hit me up when i'm online

How cute~ You just keep moving that goal post and see how that works out for you.

[Chrono_Rising]

Gee, I wonder where I could find that....
Ah, how convenient! I'm glad you're familiar with such a resource. Tell you what, how about you ask those guys who's assessment they most agree with, mine, or steinar's? You don't have to report back your findings, but I'm sure you'll be enlightened all the same.

Oh easily, there are some extremely vocal and talented people who feel the class is fine just as there are talented and vocal people who feel it could use the buffs. Does that make them right? No. If memory serves, I believe the delirium trait idea was vocalised by Emiin. Granted, I imagine Emiin doesn't feel dark knight needs the buff based on conversations, (If I am being completely honest they would totally say dark knight is fine) but I don't believe that is the be all end all for opinions. There are definitely people who believe the class is absolutely fine, but once again, they aren't the only people who have an opinion. Personally I think for a class to have less in the way of both personal dps and utilities is a huge mistake on the part of the development team and should be corrected. I have also had people in that discord agree with me that dark knight is likely underperforming in its job. Also, you can join the discord yourself, you might be surprised to learn how many have changed to the path of the warrior for their speed clears.

Is the balance discord the be all end all of opinions. No, and some of the opinions put out have been demonstrably wrong. Looks like we need someone to actually take some time and work it out. Who could that be?

Sorry I did my homework. Also if you scroll back far enough in that discord you'll find my linked images for dark knight dps comparison, damage taken, and tank buster's taken compared to warrior and paladin metrics, as well as their dps/mitigation ratio by player. The findings: Dark Knight is in third by a fairly comfortable margin. Based on data, theorycrafting, and execution, I have come to my own conclusions and agree with Steinar.

But again I have fallen for the troll trap. Enjoy discreditting yourself yet again.

[Steinar]

Ah, how convenient! I'm glad you're familiar with such a resource. Tell you what, how about you ask those guys who's assessment they most agree with, mine, or steinar's? You don't have to report back your findings, but I'm sure you'll be enlightened all the same.

As someone who doesn't play DRK on the current raid tier, your "assessment" is as worthy of notice as much a ratcatcher's trying to teach a hunter how to put down bears.

Not only that, but you lack manners as well. The very way you type serves as testament to how toxic you are.

> 1st, you say i don't know what i'm talking about, assuming i'm just a "new player" of some sort?
> 2nd, i call you out saying even the ONE log you have of current content for DRK is a tad inferior to mine.
> 3rd, you get salty and then go check older logs from previous content, to try and defend yourself ( ? ) so that your e-pen wouldn't shrink, methinks.
> 4th, you come back, once again, throwing salty stones left and right, i take you care about you "forum reputation" so much that you're about to launch a crusade in defense of your honor?

Anyway... Some of the top DRK players ( from the JP servers at least. ) also agree on the point that DRK currently brings nothing to the table, and there's no point, nor anything to gain by bringing one over WAR/PLD— Even worse, you'd be actually raising by a little the duration of the fight and the ammount of damage taken during some phases.

You're not right with your assumptions, not even a little.

But, if for some miracle, maybe a hidden skill that is unlocked by a super secret quest that only DRK can get and only you know how to grab it— that would raise DRK dps and/or group utility, thus making you right, even then, we would still be entitled to our opinion, like everyone else is— even you.

But then again, numbers don't lie, DRK numbers are going down more and more with each passing day, and so are the groups willing to take DRKs to endgame content.

Even you, that claims DRK is fine and just needs QOL buffs— almost like saying people should just "git gud", yes, even you is not playing DRK in the current raid tier.

So, what's the matter? Did you not "git gud" enough? Or is that you prefer rolling with WAR and PLD that bring more to the table? ( And quite frankly, are a lot easier to play. )

Cheers, and go see a doctor or something, your salt levels are sky high!

[Hierro]

But again I have fallen for the troll trap. Enjoy discreditting yourself again.

First you ask who is this 'silent elite,' and I provide where you can find the source, then confirm that their beliefs are more in line with mine, yet somehow I'm discredited? :thinking: