What's your first impression of Eureka?

[Nestama]

If people are calling something crap after 1-2 hours of playtime and that is the common opinion there is something wrong with the content.

But there are also people enjoying the content (specifically the ones actually trying to spawn NM's or grinding regular mobs and not the ones AFKing while waving their glow sticks, begging to be 'accidentally' MPK'd). If Eureka was really the last thing people were holding onto to find a reason to keep playing FFXIV, well... best advice I can give is to take a break from FFXIV for a bit. It's what I did shortly after 3.15 came out (and we all remember the third Relic step before it was nerfed, right?), as 3.1 overall was awful. Void Ark was boring, Diadem was disappointing (I was actually hyped for this and it was the last time I have ever been hyped for anything in XIV), Thordan was neat... but one good thing in a mostly disappointing patch wasn't enough to keep me subscribed. Didn't help that 3.1 itself was delayed.

[Vstarstruck]

But there are also people enjoying the content (specifically the ones actually trying to spawn NM's or grinding regular mobs and not the ones AFKing while waving their glow sticks, begging to be 'accidentally' MPK'd). IfEureka was really the last thing people were holding onto to find a reason to keep playing FFXIV, well... best advice I can give is to take a break from FFXIV for a bit. It's what I did shortly after 3.15 came out (and we all remember the third Relic step before it was nerfed, right?), as 3.1 overall was awful. Void Ark was boring, Diadem was disappointing (I was actually hyped for this and it was the last time I have ever been hyped for anything in XIV), Thordan was neat... but one good thing in a mostly disappointing patch wasn't enough to keep me subscribed. Didn't help that 3.1 itself was delayed.

It was even said in this very thread, people are forcing themselves to 20 so they are not being left behind, there is already a hard to deal with level gap.

Explain to me how with all the delays how it was overlooked to have a level sync feature in this? (ignoring the fact this place is extremely basic in what you do and could been done anywhere without the development time sink)

I am also wondering how many people there are that complained about yo kai but happen to like this.

[Nestama]

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The difference with YoKai Watch is that there's RNG (and unlike Eureka, only the FATE's had a chance of dropping a token. So you'd be killing X amount of mobs, or a boss, or some other task the FATE has and probably not get anything out of it. In Eureka, everything has a chance to drop crystals). In Eureka, you can get your weapon AND gear faster than the Atma Weapon and glowing YoKai mount.
I can't speak for those forcing themselves to 20, as that's not what I'm doing. I'm taking things at my own pace (not doing it on the weekend) and I'm sure people will still be doing Eureka tomorrow.
It is an oversight that SE didn't include Level Sync, but you only really need level sync if you plan on grinding mobs and not being a part of the "NM train."

[Vstarstruck]

The difference with YoKai Watch is that there's RNG (and unlike Eureka, only the FATE's had a chance of dropping a token. So you'd be killing X amount of mobs, or a boss, or some other task the FATE has and probably not get anything out of it. In Eureka, everything has a chance to drop crystals). In Eureka, you can get your weapon AND gear faster than the Atma Weapon and glowing YoKai mount.
I can't speak for those forcing themselves to 20, as that's not what I'm doing. I'm taking things at my own pace (not doing it on the weekend) and I'm sure people will still be doing Eureka tomorrow.
It is an oversight that SE didn't include Level Sync, but you only really need level sync if you plan on grinding mobs and not being a part of the "NM train."

You are DOING the SAME thing, RNG is not a factor for this. (for the NM hunt train anyway, not the AoE grinding for the other type)

For the bold, lolno, I even know a few people with that mount, the all weapons one that really despise this place. Why? Because participation was not restricted, it could be soloed and they got job levels while doing it. Diadem levels don't matter outside it.

You do not get the basic crystals without suffering from carpal tunnel, you could even hop from fate to fate, moving out before the one fate ends. I guess what I am saying is id take yo kai watch over this black hole content for 2 reasons, one it didn't sap significant time from development from other things, and 2 it did not requre you mash aggressively aoe rotations, you mount up and got breaks.

This black hole of resources has problems with EXP disputation because SE does not test properly what it is like when things are overclouded, at the same time undercrowded for lower levels. You did not answer my main question however. You did not have your rng hurt for yokai because too many people joined in.

How did these glaring oversights/problems bypass 2 + delays?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

For the bold, lolno, I even know a few people with that mount, the all weapons one that really despise this place. Why? Because participation was not restricted, it could be soloed and they got job levels while doing it. Diadem levels don't matter outside it.

As someone who has everything Yokai offered, I will gladly take Eureka over the awful slog that was Yokai. While, yes, Eureka at surface levels draws similarity, NM are at least interesting. It also is faster to grind out your relic than Yokai, provided you're smart.

I have plenty of criticisms towards Eureka; chief among them being the lack of secondary objectives, but... I've had fun with it all the same. At least when you get hunt trains going. Yokai? I despised every last second. Only good thing I'll admit is I leveled DRK and ran low level FATEs in joke glamour.

[Remedi]

As someone who has everything Yokai offered, I will gladly take Eureka over the awful slog that was Yokai. While, yes, Eureka at surface levels draws similarity, NM are at least interesting. It also is faster to grind out your relic than Yokai, provided you're smart.

I have plenty of criticisms towards Eureka; chief among them being the lack of secondary objectives, but... I've had fun with it all the same. At least when you get hunt trains going. Yokai? I despised every last second. Only good thing I'll admit is I leveled DRK and ran low level FATEs in joke glamour.

Personally I would take the unidentified items over this (or dare I say solo challenge?) But I agree with the sentiment.

[Nestama]

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Well RNG was the only factor for me on why I disliked YoKai Watch.

I got my +2 weapon faster than my Atma (and it took months for some people to get an Atma due to terrible luck).

[Vstarstruck]

Well RNG was the only factor for me on why I disliked YoKai Watch.

I got my +2 weapon faster than my Atma (and it took months for some people to get an Atma due to terrible luck).

You need to understand, how fast a reward is gotten compared to another has little meaning. Even if it takes longer in RL time, I rather do the atma, shorter in game time, over it. When you level a job though deep you get poetics, there is lots of things to do while you gain poetics. I think it was 2 months? of someone I knew getting a relic done because in those 2 months all they did was dailies, expert, MSQ, (this is back in HW, keep in mind, not the force CS view able stuff) WT, and so on. Once they met the poetic requirement they would take about 3 days to finish the rest of it off. (oh and doing tribes for the undifferentiated items. This method would be preferred over the feel empty methods done in this no content place. It takes too much at once in game time, it is boring, at least with atma you had different things to do, while killing 2 birds with 1 stone sort of speak (leveling a job as you help your relic)

I did farm the Yokai event. But I like Eureka more for reasons you don't. And that's fine.
I don't get why some people like pinnapple on pizzas, but that doesn't mean I'll disrespect their taste and try to prove them wrong. I have nothing to win by doing this. This is why I called these arguments "pointless".

So, again: please respect the fact that some people will like things you may not, for entirely subjective reasons. And that's fine. You don't need to force your tastes and standards on others. Just enjoy what you like and avoid what you dislike. You are more than welcome to say why you like or dislike something (which might provide people with another point of view on things, possibly changing their own opinion) but don't force your views on others. That's pointless. And disrespectful.

kettle black, but I am glad you are trying to start respecting people that hate it.

I am curious though, do you find 17 months of programing for this? worth the wait? for me I would preferred it not exist so development time could been focused on different matters. Remember SE said they gave SB less content because of it, we are not assuming this time around.

[Fyce]

kettle black, but I am glad you are trying to start respecting people that hate it

I never disrespected people for not liking Eureka. I simply shared my personal views and experiences on it without quoting anyone in particular. And then got pissed when people like you and Kaonis were trying to shove your hate of Eureka down my throat by using subjective arguments that I may not share at all, such at the one on PotD. You were completly disrespecting and dismissing the personal reasons that make me enjoy it. So I did the same.

And even now, you are trying to convince Nestama that "yokai/atma are better because x, y, z." You are disrespecting his own views and liking by doing that. The fact that you like yokai more than Eureka doesn't prove anything to anyone. It's just your subjective opinion.
Nestama didn't like the RNG aspect of atma/yokai and experienced it to be a longer and unpleasent grind compared to Eureka. So simply accept it and move on. Explain why you like/dislike if you want, but don't try to turn it as an objective statement.

I am curious though, do you find 17 months of programing for this? worth the wait? for me I would preferred it not exist so development time could been focused on different matters. Remember SE said they gave SB less content because of it, we are not assuming this time around.

I don't believe that Eureka was developped in a continuous 17 months period to begin with. The actual total dev time is unknown. I don't comment on things I have no insight on. I also don't find Stormblood to be lacking any kind of content which would be related to the development of Eureka. I know to understand that the people working on server stability or the story writters are not the ones in charge of making battle content, for example.

So, I can't answer you as to what my opinion is regarding this.

[Nestama]

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I don't know if you're on an alt or if you really started playing this game last year, but Atma Farming was extremely mind numbing on release (and Animus didn't help, either. Standing around, waiting for a specific FATE to spawn. I remember waiting 1-2 hours for a FATE to spawn in East Shroud. That's doing literally nothing in game because I was paranoid that if I did a dungeon, or did other FATE's while waiting, the FATE I am waiting for will be killed before I could make it back in time. Animus is the reason I hate Brayflox Hard Mode to this day). You were required to have your Zenith out, so you couldn't level up alternate Jobs under level 50. The Atma drop rate was also pretty low, so you could spend hours-days in a single zone FATE farming (months for the extremely unlucky). So when I say Eureka is better than Atma (and to some extent, YoKai Watch, as the rewards are not worth it), I am being serious.